Coronavirus

[The Thriller]

Is misinformation becoming a trend on Utah's Capitol Hill?

False claims of U.N. takeovers and COVID-19 conspiracies might be an emerging pattern at the Utah Legislature.

www.ksl.com

See? The incentives to become crazier and crazier more extremist than yesterday are just too great. Social media, distrust in major institutions (and the news), Fox News, and the weakening of political parties is doing this. No longer do political parties have the power to control leaders. That power belongs to small donors and primary voters. Both of which, favor the most extreme. It's why MTG, who hasn't proposed anything to actually help her district, is making money hand over fist while many "moderates" have been/will be wiped out.

Here in Utah's own legislature, the most offensive extremist freak shows receive all the attention and small donor $$$. You don't make a name for yourself by actually governing well. You make a name for yourself by owning the libs.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

Social media, distrust in major institutions (and the news), Fox News, and the weakening of political parties is doing this.

The distrust is well earned. Fox News contributes a share but so does everyone else. It wasn't a Fox New reporter standing in front of a building engulfed in flames with a riot raging around him as the screen graphic read "Fiery but mostly peaceful protests". Even the supposed fact checkers are just propaganda now. An example that will probably get changed quickly due to the amount of ridicule it is currently getting is the Snopes fact check on the Biden administration distributing crack pipes. It is 100% true. Even Snopes in the text of the page admits it is 100% true. Here is what they say as of 10 AM on 02/09/2022:

What's True
In 2022, a U.S. Department of Health and Human Services substance abuse harm reduction grant did require recipients to provide safer smoking kits to existing drug users. In distributing grants, priority would be given to applicants serving historically underserved communities

Despite this being completely true, Snopes has rated it as 'Mostly False'. They justify the rating by saying the Biden administration is giving out other things too, but that was never part of what they were fact checking. It is BS. This is propaganda. The traditional and social media with their fact checkers like Snopes have ruined their credibility. Of course that is going to lower the number of people who trust them.

Did Biden Admin 'Fund Crack Pipes' To 'Advance Racial Equity'?

News reports in February 2022 grossly misrepresented the facts about a federal harm reduction program.

www.snopes.com

 

[Al-O-Meter]

As for the Coronavirus pandemic, it officially ends in 20 days. If you want to talk up how great masks and government mandates are then you may want to get it out of your system now because you have less than 3 weeks. As of Tuesday evening on March 1st, it is over.

 

[One Brow]

Despite this being completely true, Snopes has rated it as 'Mostly False'. They justify the rating by saying the Biden administration is giving out other things too, but that was never part of what they were fact checking.

Also by saying the primary concerns are for health, and not racial equity, which was part of what they were fact checking.

This is propaganda.

Propaganda is taking a minor part of a major grant, pretending it is the purpose of the grant, and lying about the reason for the existence of that minor part.

 

[One Brow]

As for the Coronavirus pandemic, it officially ends in 20 days. If you want to talk up how great masks and government mandates are then you may want to get it out of your system now because you have less than 3 weeks. As of Tuesday evening on March 1st, it is over.

If there is one thing true about diseases, it must be that they respect timelines.

 

[Avery]

As for the Coronavirus pandemic, it officially ends in 20 days. If you want to talk up how great masks and government mandates are then you may want to get it out of your system now because you have less than 3 weeks. As of Tuesday evening on March 1st, it is over.

Is it April of 2020 already?

 

[Al-O-Meter]

If there is one thing true about diseases, it must be that they respect timelines.

You wouldn’t be scoffing at the idea that 20 days from now you’ll wake up in an America being ravaged by the pandemic but by later that same evening it will all be over, now would you? It is almost as if you think such an arbitrary end would be one of politics rather than THE SCIENCE (all praise be upon it). Such a thought would be blasphemy. The holy truth is that THE SCIENCE (all praise be upon it) changed its mind to bless us with forgiveness as will all be explained on March 1st by the prophet who deserves all the credit for getting THE SCIENCE (all praise be upon it) to change on that blessed day less than 3 weeks from this day.

 

[One Brow]

You wouldn’t be scoffing at the idea that 20 days from now you’ll wake up in an America being ravaged by the pandemic but by later that same evening it will all be over, now would you?

I'm scoffing at the idea that it's the pandemic that's ending, as opposed something like a mask mandate or state of emergency. Of course, it's pretty obvious that the latter have to have some sort of ending date, so it's hard to be sardonic if you say they are ending.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

I'm scoffing at the idea that it's the pandemic that's ending, as opposed something like a mask mandate or state of emergency.

Don't tell me that you believe mask mandates and states of emergency were political constructs. We've been told by our betters from the very beginning that THE SCIENCE (all praise be upon it) said they were made necessary by the pandemic. If the state of emergency exists on the morning of March 1st it is only because the pandemic exists, and if later that same day it is all over it is only because THE SCIENCE (all praise be upon it) changed on that day to end the pandemic. Give up your WWII German and southern secessionist ways, for THE SCIENCE loves you as the prophet will explain on March 1st.

 

[One Brow]

Don't tell me that you believe mask mandates and states of emergency were political constructs.

They were created and imposed by political entities. What other sorts of constructs would they be? Is this Captain Obvious day, and no one told me?

We've been told by our betters from the very beginning that THE SCIENCE (all praise be upon it) said they were made necessary by the pandemic.

Sure, just like THE SCIENCE (a non-political human construct) fueled the political policies leading to mandatory smallpox vaccination, fluoridated water, underground sewers, etc.

If the state of emergency exists on the morning of March 1st it is only because the pandemic exists, and if later that same day it is all over it is only because THE SCIENCE (all praise be upon it) changed on that day to end the pandemic. Give up your WWII German and southern secessionist ways, for THE SCIENCE loves you as the prophet will explain on March 1st.

The mandates/emergency states may or may not end end on March 1, as THE SCIENCE responds to changing conditions in the world. I'm hopeful there, it would be nice to host my game day again. If not THE SCIENCE, what should have been driving public policy instead? THE PROFITS? THE PROPHETS? THE LOGICS? What's your alternative source for reliable policy during a pandemic?

 

[fishonjazz]

You wouldn’t be scoffing at the idea that 20 days from now you’ll wake up in an America being ravaged by the pandemic but by later that same evening it will all be over, now would you? It is almost as if you think such an arbitrary end would be one of politics rather than THE SCIENCE (all praise be upon it). Such a thought would be blasphemy. The holy truth is that THE SCIENCE (all praise be upon it) changed its mind to bless us with forgiveness as will all be explained on March 1st by the prophet who deserves all the credit for getting THE SCIENCE (all praise be upon it) to change on that blessed day less than 3 weeks from this day.

Wtf are you talking about?

 

[The Thriller]

Wtf are you talking about?

Franklin's alt account is arguing with OB over heaven knows what?

 

[lauriandres]

They were created and imposed by political entities. What other sorts of constructs would they be? Is this Captain Obvious day, and no one told me?


Sure, just like THE SCIENCE (a non-political human construct) fueled the political policies leading to mandatory smallpox vaccination, fluoridated water, underground sewers, etc.


The mandates/emergency states may or may not end end on March 1, as THE SCIENCE responds to changing conditions in the world. I'm hopeful there, it would be nice to host my game day again. If not THE SCIENCE, what should have been driving public policy instead? THE PROFITS? THE PROPHETS? THE LOGICS? What's your alternative source for reliable policy during a pandemic?

Just for comparison and to stimulate thoughts:

Not sure how it was in USA (between 1945-1990), but at least in Soviet Estonia medical science was pretty much free of different politics. Obviously, the leaders at local communist party had a special hospital with better food and better beds, but the generic attitude of the doctors was same - to heal the people using the methods and limited resources they had. Of course, to have a meaningful career, the doctors had to be a member of a communist party, but that did not influenced the quality of medical care. Everybody was afraid of a dentist (until around 88-89 when we got the newer and less painful tooth drills.
However now almost every doctor needs to be a business owner (or now what successful business needs) and on social media there is a constant fight even among the doctors. Usually not about whether the Earth is flat or not, but "the political party i adore is better than yours" etc etc. Back in Soviet Union time - every Estonian doctor just dreamed about the independence. Now you have to wonder whether some active doctor or scientist is promoting something or not to earn some extra money while using the "praise the science" as a cover.

 

[fishonjazz]

Franklin's alt account is arguing with OB over heaven knows what?

I think he is doing that thing he does where he rants and raves at a molehill in the hopes it will transform into a mountain. Similar to the whole "the USA isn't a democracy its a REPUBLIC!"

 

[One Brow]

Franklin's alt account is arguing with OB over heaven knows what?

I often disagreed with franklin, but his posts were subtle, made interesting points, and I learned a lot from him.

 

[One Brow]

Just for comparison and to stimulate thoughts:

Not sure how it was in USA (between 1945-1990), but at least in Soviet Estonia medical science was pretty much free of different politics.

You described medical practice, which is very different from medical science. Considering what happened with Lysenko in biology, I find it hard to believe other sciences were unpoliticized.

Now you have to wonder whether some active doctor or scientist is promoting something or not to earn some extra money while using the "praise the science" as a cover.

I agree. The state medical boards are usually much too slow in de-licensing the quacks.

 

[The Thriller]

She’s going to out fundraise 90 percent of Republicans in congress. This is why I really fear the anti vax movement taking off. Extremist positions and candidates have too many incentives to embrace the crazy.

 

[The Thriller]

I often disagreed with franklin, but his posts were subtle, made interesting points, and I learned a lot from him.

I’m not disparaging Franklin for the content of his posts necessarily. I do think it’s silly that he keeps creating alt accounts pretending to be a different person in order to try and get a rise out of people. Why not just keep posting with your same name? I haven’t changed my name.

 

[One Brow]

I’m not disparaging Franklin for the content of his posts necessarily. I do think it’s silly that he keeps creating alt accounts pretending to be a different person in order to try and get a rise out of people. Why not just keep posting with your same name? I haven’t changed my name.

Does he? Whatever.

Life is so much simpler when you don't care about who is creating an alt.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

Wtf are you talking about?

What I’m talking about is that America is going to pivot away from nanny mandates. They are hurting the economy and extremely unpopular. Republican governors like Ron Desantis pivoted away a while ago and many of their Democrat counterparts are now joining them in moving away. The Federal government has not. That will all change on March 1st when Biden delivers his State of the Union address. In that address he will declare that his efforts have ended the pandemic and moved us into a softer “endemic” stage which doesn’t require the constructs that are polling so poorly. Get ready for every piece of the Federal government to adopt a direction more in line with an understanding of the pandemic being over.

The Republicans, the Democrats, the media, everyone is going to be turning the page. They’ll all claim the science has changed but the reality is that the politics of it has become untenable.