Jazz acquire NAW and Juancho Hernangomez for Ingles, Hughes, and two 2nd round picks.

[SoberasHotRod]

My expectations for NAW are super low, but I'd at least like to give him a chance. I understand the argument that Forrest and Butler should be getting those reps, but there's also a chance that NAW in a completely different role and system could be good.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

My expectations for NAW are super low, but I'd at least like to give him a chance. I understand the argument that Forrest and Butler should be getting those reps, but there's also a chance that NAW in a completely different role and system could be good.

Okay but that is a process. I think we should try it but be realistic that it is likely next year where he can make that change.

I just think some of us think we can give a guy a new role and different color jersey and he becomes a different guy. His catch and shoot numbers are just as bad as his other numbers... his defense isn't all of a sudden going to change.

He's a long term project and that's okay... just allocate playing time accordingly.

 

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[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Portland may want Joe and would offer him a decent contract during the summer. We may have lost Joe.

I remember Joe on the radio saying he would only play for the jazz and that if he got traded, he’d retire. The fact that he got injured and is done for the year gives him a way to not retire and resign with Utah if Utah so chooses.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Lol this thread man. I call the front office out when they deserve it but most of you didn’t want to move Bogey or a 1st round pick. Please tell me the type of win-now move out there for Ingles salary and a couple seconds.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

Okay but that is a process. I think we should try it but be realistic that it is likely next year where he can make that change.

I just think some of us think we can give a guy a new role and different color jersey and he becomes a different guy. His catch and shoot numbers are just as bad as his other numbers... his defense isn't all of a sudden going to change.

He's a long term project and that's okay... just allocate playing time accordingly.

I completely agree with all of that.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Is NAW available to play tonight, and where is the game thread?

 

[LogGrad98]

 

[Rubashov]

Ha... all the birds rights stuff was complete nonsense. To keep his bird rights it costs them like 15M in cap space that they plan to use. Are they going to sign him for 15m to rehab all year.

Ingles will get a minimum deal. I'm not even sure he reports. They may not waive him because they may not want to pay someone to come in and fill his roster spot. He will choose from spots that offer him a minimum deal but he has 12 months of rehab in his future and another couple months to get into playing shape. He may not come back but it won't be because he got a big offer.

Also we will never lose Joe... he's always in our hearts and minds... @Rubashov actually keeps a little bit of Joe in his balls too. Joe is eternal.

Facts...

 

[Rubashov]

So Joe is going to report?

 

[Agent#00]

so much talk about NAW and nothing about Hernangoat? he shot 42% from 3 in Minnesota 2 years ago using the glass.

we are going to win it all baby!

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

So Joe is going to report?

He already did… there is a picture of him in a blazers jersey but I can’t post it because it’s NSFW… disgusting

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

so much talk about NAW and nothing about Hernangoat? he shot 42% from 3 in Minnesota 2 years ago using the glass.

we are going to win it all baby!

I have a hot take I don’t really believe but… there is a chance Juan becomes the better pickup. He’s buried on the depth chart. If he plays there have been multiple injuries.

 

[Rubashov]

He already did… there is a picture of him in a blazers jersey but I can’t post it because it’s NSFW… disgusting

I assumed photo shop. Joe in a Blazers journey? Sad day when you live long enough to watch your heroes fall...

 

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From Andy Larsen's 'Tripple Team' article tonight about NAW

The two trade acquisitions were on track for DNP-CDs until the Jazz pulled away by enough late that they got just over a minute of garbage time. Trent Forrest played 24 minutes, as did Jordan Clarkson. Eric Paschall played 12. Jared Butler even got a short 2-minute stint in the first half, giving Conley a little bit of an extra breather. Alexander-Walker, though, didn’t.



I don’t get the sense that Quin’s going to be that excited to play NAW — in particular, that little Butler first half stint, with a double-digit lead, really could have gone to the new acquisition just to get his ears wet.

Honestly, watching the video of Alexander-Walker in New Orleans, I get it. I’ll get into this in a more detailed article later, but he’s a really, really poor decision maker right now, really on both ends of the floor. Maybe that changes overnight, but in a game today, I’m probably picking Butler too. That doesn’t mean Alexander-Walker doesn’t have potential, but I do think that it makes his road to playing and contributing to the Jazz in this year’s playoffs a lot tougher.

According to Justin Zanik this morning, the team tried to get a guy who could contribute this year. In particular, the Jazz asked: “Can it make us better? Can it definitively make us better? That’s a high bar with this group because we’re really good,” he said. “… There was just not anything definitive that reached a bar, whether using a future first or not.” Even if they used a first!

Still, this is the group: it looks like they’re going to have one of Forrest or Paschall in the playoff rotation, barring something like 36 minutes a night for Rudy Gay.

 

[infection]

From Andy Larsen's 'Tripple Team' article tonight about NAW

If Quin were to not like him, Butler would probably be a fairly big beneficiary because he may likely, and unconsciously, actively play Butler more out of spite.

 

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If Quin were to not like him, Butler would probably be a fairly big beneficiary because he may likely, and unconsciously, actively play Butler more out of spite.

That would be great...but I think once House is back Quin will have enough options that he won't have to play NAW or Butler.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

If Quin were to not like him, Butler would probably be a fairly big beneficiary because he may likely, and unconsciously, actively play Butler more out of spite.

Maybe we should all pretend to be super excited about him and ask him about NAW playing time in every press conference. Then he can get super annoyed and feel like he’s crushing our dreams when he plays butler over him.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

From Andy Larsen's 'Tripple Team' article tonight about NAW

Can’t believe Andy would suggest that maybe NAW won’t play… doesn’t he know how high he was selected and how great his wingspan is???? All he needs to do is improve at basketballing!!! I mean once he puts new laundry on he instantly shakes off all the bad NOP vibes.

 

[infection]

I’m going to go ahead and post it because I think it’s an important part of the process.



This whole public tour of him reporting to a team he’ll never play for, taking media photos in jerseys, etc. There’s obviously a business side and $11M is no small beans, but I think all the emotion Joe has felt, all he’s done for the franchise and community, wanting to “be with” the team, even if not playing, being constantly in trade rumors all year… I know he understands it’s business, but with all that passion and sacrifice on the line, it’s going to be hard for him to see all he’s done over the years and feel an important part of the franchise and community and feel he’s being reduced and distilled down to “a contract.” “A liability.” And that’s going to sting, no matter how much he intellectually says the correct “it’s business” answers, and no matter how much he can go through the motions of saying “if me being traded helps the team.”

This is Joe’s way of passive-aggressively saying “**** you” to the higher ups of the organization. If we’re still trying to contend as a team, we’ve gotten rid of his space at the table. It’s like waiting in line for a ride with your buddies and one of your kids. You get to the front of the line and find out the ride only seats 5 and there’s 6 of you, so you ask your kid if they’re okay with you and your buddies going, since they’re a little kid and may not even like it, and you tell them you’ll go on it with them some time later. Not today, and not next weekend. But sometime.

Your kid’s gonna ****ing hate you. It doesn’t matter how “cool with it” they seemed when you put them on the spot.

You can argue business all you want and that’s a reality. But this is what’s happening when you peel back the “it’s just business” and get to the emotion behind it.

Everyone kept saying how “Joe’s heart is always here” and “he doesn’t want to play anywhere else” and “he’s going to stay in SLC” and “he’ll re-sign with us in the summer.” Everyone repeating how we’re not trading Joe, we’re “just trading a contract” and it’s “just a formality.” Joe knows people seeing him in another jersey feels wrong and will sting — because that’s a modicum of how he felt being tossed aside as “someone who isn’t going to play anyway.”

This is how he communicates that.