Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz

[jom2003]

We have Luka in that scenario... so its a Luka for Don swap.

I agree we needed to do that... but it will just end in second round exits unless Donovan himself improves as a defender and passer. Its also the hardest player types to find... defend the perimeter and create? They also need to be able to shoot or Donovan has no space to operate. You can have those guys and Donovan shoots 40/20 on big volume and you lose.

No they don't have Luka for 3 games and went 2-1 against us. If we put Donovan on Mavs and not having Luka available for 3 games we'd be down 0-3 and the series would already have been over. And Mavs shot the lights out against our pathetic defense so I'm sure space to create won't be an issue for Donovan on the mavs.

 

[Ujfanatic]

Donovan is a great player and is only going to get better. He probably would have benefited from a few developmental years to start his career with lower expectations but instead the team tried to remain competitive each year. The team gambled and made too many "win-now" moves that put more pressure on him and took away options from the team now.

He will evolve into a better passer, decision-maker, and defender. He will learn to limit some of his current mistakes and will evolve into a better leader. Ultimately he will be a top 15-20 player in this league, perhaps even top-10 (which is hard to do at his size).

The question is what team will he be playing for. Frankly, with Riley, Spoelstra, and their current roster, the "Heat culture" would probably be the perfect place for him to take that next step.

If I were the Jazz, I would be looking a lot at the 2000-era 76ers as the blueprint. Bring in a new coach to push Donovan's development and surround him with size, toughness, and defense.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

He will evolve into a better passer, decision-maker, and defender. He will learn to limit some of his current mistakes and will evolve into a better leader. Ultimately he will be a top 15-20 player in this league, perhaps even top-10 (which is hard to do at his size).

So you are blaming him for our problems because he isn't a better passer or defender.....pffffttt! That isn't something teams ask of Steph or Lebron!!!

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Trade of the day....

Bogey/Royce/Gay/NAW to Philly for Harris/Thybulle #23 (they can trade it on draft night after selecting for us)

Philly gets off a bunch of salary in a year... gets some players that fit with Embiid Harden... Gay and NAW are filler.

We get a better on ball wing. Tobias plays defense sometimes. Playing without a post player may help. Thybulle was basically benched in the playoffs. He's not improved much at all... maybe he gets better but at least he gets some steals and blocks (even though he gambles a bit too much).

At #23 we get Liddell or Brown or someone that falls.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Trade of the day....

Bogey/Royce/Gay/NAW to Philly for Harris/Thybulle #23 (they can trade it on draft night after selecting for us)

Philly gets off a bunch of salary in a year... gets some players that fit with Embiid Harden... Gay and NAW are filler.

We get a better on ball wing. Tobias plays defense sometimes. Playing without a post player may help. Thybulle was basically benched in the playoffs. He's not improved much at all... maybe he gets better but at least he gets some steals and blocks (even though he gambles a bit too much).

At #23 we get Liddell or Brown or someone that falls.

It will also gives Lopo and Jom someone to blame instead of Mitchell since Tobias would make more money than Mitchell!

 

[YoungJefe]

Jazz receive: Richaun Holmes, Patrick Williams, OG Anunoby, Gary Trent Jr, #18
Cavaliers receive: Mike Conley
Raptors receive: Rudy Gobert
Bulls receive: Bojan Bogdanovic
Kings receive: Caris Levert

 

[enchilada_style]

Interesting interview with Tony Jones on Bill Riley's show today.

-Said that the extension the Jazz offered him is significant in terms of money.
- Quin wants some clarity in terms of how much say he would have in roster construction and decision making.
-Quin was hurt by the fact that he didn't have 100% buy-in from his roster this season, this is the first time this has happened since he's been with the Jazz. Tony says that it wasn't his fault that he didn't have complete buy-in from the roster.
-Fans have no idea how much was going on behind the scenes with this team last year and that may make Quin reluctant to come back.

Wow, really? The team was having issues behind the scenes?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Jazz receive: Richaun Holmes, Patrick Williams, OG Anunoby, Gary Trent Jr, #18
Cavaliers receive: Mike Conley
Raptors receive: Rudy Gobert
Bulls receive: Bojan Bogdanovic
Kings receive: Caris Levert

So our team becomes

Mitchell/Forrest/Butler
Trent Jr/Clarkson
OG/Royce
Patrick Williams/Gay
Richaun Holmes

That's not a playoff team unless Williams and OG take pretty big leaps and stay healthy all year. This team's depth is bottom of the barrel.

 

[juds101]

What about Mitchell/Royce for davion Mitchell, Harrison Barnes, Richaun Holmes, 4th pick, and a future 1st.

 

[Ujfanatic]

What about Mitchell/Royce for davion Mitchell, Harrison Barnes, Richaun Holmes, 4th pick, and a future 1st.

If you’re trading Mitchell for a lottery pick and second year player you need to trade Gobert as well and commit to a rebuild. Pairing a 30-year-old Gobert with a rookie, even a really good rookie, doesn’t make any sense for the team’s timeline.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

If you’re trading Mitchell for a lottery pick and second year player you need to trade Gobert as well and commit to a rebuild. Pairing a 30-year-old Gobert with a rookie, even a really good rookie, doesn’t make any sense for the team’s timeline.

You could give it a year and see. Maybe Jaden Ivey is that dude.

I dont think Gobert's trade value is really changing all that much year to year. His most valuable will probably be his contract year because he will be a huge expiring.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

You could give it a year and see. Maybe Jaden Ivey is that dude.

I dont think Gobert's trade value is really changing all that much year to year. His most valuable will probably be his contract year because he will be a huge expiring.

Nah he’s at his highest value right now. On the last year of his deal he may be a shell of the player he is now. Trade him before there is a hint of decline as his contract could be really bad if he falls off.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Trade Quin with Rudy to Charlotte and get all the stuff we want... take Gordon back if you have to... he can be repackaged and sold or be a reclamation project. Or we can mothball his *** and make Robyn live in Utah.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Trade Quin with Rudy to Charlotte and get all the stuff we want... take Gordon back if you have to... he can be repackaged and sold or be a reclamation project. Or we can mothball his *** and make Robyn live in Utah.

Should be workable, unless Quin is really complaining about Rudy or just wants to take a year off.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Should be workable, unless Quin is really complaining about Rudy or just wants to take a year off.

I'm honestly a little baffled with the reporting coming out on both sides. I think my original thoughts were correct. Quin wants to get fired to get paid for doing nothing... then get a big deal with a team he wants to go to. Larsen gave the impression he could walk away and get paid... like it was part of his contract maybe. Morey did it but he had a clause in his deal that allowed it. Maybe this is Quin just positioning himself to walk away, collect his salary, and not look like a quitter. All the "you don't even know how bad stuff was" is comical to me. Some of these franchises have **** going on behind the scenes that is being investigated... our little passive aggressive stuff ain't nothing.

 

[Hornacekamania]

Trade Quin with Rudy to Charlotte and get all the stuff we want... take Gordon back if you have to... he can be repackaged and sold or be a reclamation project. Or we can mothball his *** and make Robyn live in Utah.

I love Rudy; him and Donovan are my two favorite current players. It pains me that they're splitting.

That said, forcing Robyn Hayward to return to Utah is a nice consolation prize.

 

[juds101]

If you’re trading Mitchell for a lottery pick and second year player you need to trade Gobert as well and commit to a rebuild. Pairing a 30-year-old Gobert with a rookie, even a really good rookie, doesn’t make any sense for the team’s timeline.

I think I’d agree with that unless we could route davion to a team like Indiana for Brogdon or even better Conley/davion to okc for Shai.

 

[mhindy]

I think I’d agree with that unless we could route davion to a team like Indiana for Brogdon or even better Conley/davion to okc for Shai.

You're short about 4 first round picks on getting SGA.

 

[LoPo]

Jazz receive: Richaun Holmes, Patrick Williams, OG Anunoby, Gary Trent Jr, #18
Cavaliers receive: Mike Conley
Raptors receive: Rudy Gobert
Bulls receive: Bojan Bogdanovic
Kings receive: Caris Levert

I like it. I think Sacramento gets it too good though. They want to dump Holmes and his contract.

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[Saint Cy of JFC]

Nah he’s at his highest value right now. On the last year of his deal he may be a shell of the player he is now. Trade him before there is a hint of decline as his contract could be really bad if he falls off.

I think he stays at a high level for years past his contract