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kcgar said:
9-11 seed
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framer said:
With a new Coach? Play in. That team is worse than last years Wolves.
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I don't think people understand how hard the West will be.

Clips get Kawhi back and added to their depth.
Denver gets Murray and Porter Jr. back and added a bit of depth.
Phoenix might add Kevin effing Durant.
Minnesota will be a regular season machine with their additions.
Portland gets Dame back... Grant vs. CJ might be more neutral.
NOP might get Zion back (who knows on him) but has CJ and all the young guys will get better too.
Memphis will likely take a step back with the JJJ news and worse depth.
Lakers should get a more healthy year from Lebron and AD and likely adds Kyrie while subtracting Westbrook.
Dallas likely is marginally worse.
GS too.

Sacramento will continue to try and should be a little better

Ayton/DM likely ends up with us fighting with Portland/Sacramento to make the play in... plus one or two other teams that have injury issues.
 
Pinhead said:
And to achieve it we’d have to use all of those pretty draft picks we just picked up in the Rudy trade.

We’d also have to offer Ayton a max contract ($30m) for another center that some here swear is a proven death sentence in the nba.
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Its the modern day Al Jefferson move imo. We'd be a .500 team... spin our wheels... lose a pick and not get the high pick we need.
 
Once the moratorium is lifted we may see movement here. It is way too quiet on the Ayton front imo. Indiana could sneak attack Phoenix and make it really tough to get a deal done... would make no sense to leak anything until you can actually put the ink on the paper. San Antonio too.
 
The other consideration on KD and the Nets. They do have some incentive to help him out a bit here. He played nice and signed the long extension... could have waited... could have had the player options... he committed. They let Kyrie and Harden turn that place into a dumpster fire. They might settle for a really good Phoenix deal to play nice. My guess is Phoenix is trying to keep Bridges out of the deal but knows they will give it in the end... Likely no problem giving up their draft assets... Might be waiting for them to find an Ayton destination that will give them something in a sign and trade. My guess is they listen to all the offers but are really just pushing Phoenix for the minor things... Cam Johnson might be another sticking point. Bridges himself is worth like at least 3 firsts... so its like 7 first rounders plus some stuff.

Now with Ky they can eff with that guy and have no problems.
 
Pinhead said:
We owe OKC our 2024 pick, but top 10 protected, right? What happens to that pick in 2025 if it isn’t delivered in 2024?
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It lowers to like top 8 by 2026 and then it turns into nothing. Personally if you tank the next couple years and give up the 12th or 13th pick in 2025 or 2026 then it means your young talent has you pointed in the right direction and you are fine. If we end up sucking in 25-26 we can easily do the shut it down tank move to end up under the protections.

The 2023 draft is setting up to be a good one... I want a high pick this year.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I don't think people understand how hard the West will be.

Clips get Kawhi back and added to their depth.
Denver gets Murray and Porter Jr. back and added a bit of depth.
Phoenix might add Kevin effing Durant.
Minnesota will be a regular season machine with their additions.
Portland gets Dame back... Grant vs. CJ might be more neutral.
NOP might get Zion back (who knows on him) but has CJ and all the young guys will get better too.
Memphis will likely take a step back with the JJJ news and worse depth.
Lakers should get a more healthy year from Lebron and AD and likely adds Kyrie while subtracting Westbrook.
Dallas likely is marginally worse.
GS too.

Sacramento will continue to try and should be a little better

Ayton/DM likely ends up with us fighting with Portland/Sacramento to make the play in... plus one or two other teams that have injury issues.
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jumpin bean said:
KNICK fans dont even want to trade Mitchell for Rj Barrett,
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They will likely have an issue I am not sure they are aware of... RJ, jalen, Randle are all lefties that like to attack from the right side of the court (i didn't bring it up Nate Duncan did). They might want to get ahead of that a little.
 
When the Gobert trade goes through officially, will the Jazz have cap space? I wonder if the Jazz would give Ayton an offer sheet when the moratorium ends tomorrow. That would take PHX out of any immediate KD negotiation and possibly soften the market for KD.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
When the Gobert trade goes through officially, will the Jazz have cap space? I wonder if the Jazz would give Ayton an offer sheet when the moratorium ends tomorrow. That would take PHX out of any immediate KD negotiation and possibly soften the market for KD.
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No. We aren't close. We could take salary in a trade though... within the matching rules... so some things will open up a little.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
When the Gobert trade goes through officially, will the Jazz have cap space? I wonder if the Jazz would give Ayton an offer sheet when the moratorium ends tomorrow. That would take PHX out of any immediate KD negotiation and possibly soften the market for KD.
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We’d need to shed close to 40M for that to happen.
 
kcgar said:
9-11 seed
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I just don’t see that but by the amount of people agreeing with you I must be in the minority.

If adding Collins/Ayton leaves us outside of the playoffs still then we are going to need 4-5 years of tanking maybe more. Our next 3 picks we can only hope to be as good as those three.
 
Elizah Huge said:
I just don’t see that but by the amount of people agreeing with you I must be in the minority.

If adding Collins/Ayton leaves us outside of the playoffs still then we are going to need 4-5 years of tanking maybe more. Our next 3 picks we can only hope to be as good as those three.
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I debate this a lot with friends outside this board but when Zion is back where would you place the Pels? For me its still likely a play in team, or if not, just barely so. Then, would you rather have Zion, Ingram and CJ or Don, Collins and Ayton?

I dont think its a slam dunk either way but proves the point i think. Neither are going to be a juggernaut in a very deep west with so many teams previously mentioned getting dudes back this season.
 
LoPo said:
What is the 50% sign and trade rule though?

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He counts as 50% outgoing salary but 100% incoming salary in a trade. You can trade for up to 125% of the salary you send out.

For example at 25M:

It counts as 12.5M outgoing salary from Phoenix in a trade and 25M incoming for us.

For a straight Bogey swap half of Ayton’s salary would have to be equal to or more than $14,507,250.

The minimum first year of salary for Ayton for a straight Bogey swap is $29,014,500M. I’m fairly certain we’d have to add about 2M of salary outgoing to a third team or something though because our side doesn’t match up.
 
Elizah Huge said:
He counts as 50% outgoing salary but 100% incoming salary in a trade. You can trade for up to 125% of the salary you send out.

For example at 25M:

It counts as 12.5M outgoing salary from Phoenix in a trade and 25M incoming for us.

For a straight Bogey swap half of Ayton’s salary would have to be equal to or more than $14,507,250.

The minimum first year of salary for Ayton for a straight Bogey swap is $29,014,500M. I’m fairly certain we’d have to add about 2M of salary outgoing to a third team or something though because our side doesn’t match up.
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It gets complex but there is enough wiggle to make it work... I think Conley to Brooklyn and a pick from us and we take Ayton and I think there is enough other salary going back and forth it all gets deluded. If it happened that would be my guess.
 
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