Lakers-Jazz Trade

[idiot]

Do they not need shooting guards? And if their goal is to not have salary, then a player on a player options is absolutely lower odds than if he were guaranteed. And Vanderbilt.

Eyes on the prize.

I don't think they're giving up everything they have for just some possibility that Clarkson will opt out (again, with the assumption that they want to be able to get Kyrie or some such player in free agency next year). They need every penny. That's why Vanderbilt is even a question mark under this scenario.

Again, if the assumption is wrong, then this is all moot.

And no, I don't think they particularly need shooting guards. If they get Beasley, that's enough. The one young player they really like (Reaves) is probably best at SG.

 

[whatthe]

Bogey, Conley, Clarkson > Westbrook + 6 2nd rounders + 1 unprotected pick.

They can keep their other pick. We get most of their available 2nd rounders which after LeBron leaves can be more valuable than a late 1st. Also, lots of 2nds allows a team to make moves that are not costly (not using 1sts to do moves is valuable).

But honestly, would the Lakers be hit by a lack of draft capital? Their free agency advantage more than makes up for it so I do think we can get most of their 2nds and they wouldn't care. They have just put a huge value on these firsts. And just like in Judo, if they want to keep them then use it against them in a deal. Get the 2nds and the Jazz could wheel and deal for years.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Bogey, Conley, Clarkson > Westbrook + 6 2nd rounders + 1 unprotected pick.

They can keep their other pick. We get most of their available 2nd rounders which after LeBron leaves can be more valuable than a late 1st. Also, lots of 2nds allows a team to make moves that are not costly (not using 1sts to do moves is valuable).

But honestly, would the Lakers be hit by a lack of draft capital? Their free agency advantage more than makes up for it so I do think we can get most of their 2nds and they wouldn't care. They have just put a huge value on these firsts. And just like in Judo, if they want to keep them then use it against them in a deal. Get the 2nds and the Jazz could wheel and deal for years.

I'm still extremely skeptical that the Lakers would want Conley's contract (which doesn't hurt us to have either). And the Jazz will have infinity opportunities for 2nd rounders. I'm happy to take 2nds broadly speaking, but not as a substitute for other assets in the context of such a huge trade. 2nds as a sweetener to make up some gap is good, but swaps are a far superior fallback ask. A raft of 2nds really isn't, IMO.

 

[whatthe]

I'm still extremely skeptical that the Lakers would want Conley's contract (which doesn't hurt us to have either). And the Jazz will have infinity opportunities for 2nd rounders. I'm happy to take 2nds broadly speaking, but not as a substitute for other assets in the context of such a huge trade. 2nds as a sweetener to make up some gap is good, but swaps are a far superior fallback ask. A raft of 2nds really isn't, IMO.

The best kind of 2nd rounder would be a 31 to 33 spot. You can take a flyer on a high value and if you in the luxury tax you take less risk and less cost and put resources in your contending team. So I would want that in years 27, 28, 29 when we are back in the thick of things. But yeah other 2nds early are very low value.

Whew, I am glad this up to the GM nerds looking at spreadsheets all day.

Anyway, you convinced me. It would be.
Westbrook, '28 swap (add to the 28 super swap we already have. We get best of Cavs, Wolves, Lakers - this could be real good, a lottery winner, keep adding to it over time) , '29 1st, and 3 2nds (27, 28, 29). The Lakers would still have enough to do another trade (heck they could trade Clarkson and a pick to get someone) and the Jazz gets value from all different angles.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I'm still extremely skeptical that the Lakers would want Conley's contract (which doesn't hurt us to have either). And the Jazz will have infinity opportunities for 2nd rounders. I'm happy to take 2nds broadly speaking, but not as a substitute for other assets in the context of such a huge trade. 2nds as a sweetener to make up some gap is good, but swaps are a far superior fallback ask. A raft of 2nds really isn't, IMO.

One other option on the Bogey/Conley front. I think we could easily flip them to Philly for Tobias and their unprotected 29 pick. it would have multiple conditions on it though. I thought it might be free but it would be conditional on them giving a pick to OKC and Brooklyn (it is likely those picks convey... and those teams might amend the protections for an asset).

I think you could get some minor stuff in there and also flip Tobias if you wanted (like to Charlotte for Hayward and stuff).

After typing my way through it... just do the Lakers deal... so much easier.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

If Conley doesn't go to the Lakers I think a potential destination is Chicago. I think Lonzo may be broken... and they should be nervous. He almost surely is not playing a full season this year. They are kind of all in. I could see them trading Ball for Mike (there might be other salary too). They own a portland pick that is top 15 protected for like 6 years. Maybe you get that pick, Ball, and a swap in 2029 with the Minny pick or our pick. Then if Ball gets healthy he is kind of a great fit with Sexton. You also can sit him all year which is a great tank move. Has one extra year on his deal. Bring Cowboy Mike Elliot back for a redemption project.

 

[Elizah Huge]

If Conley doesn't go to the Lakers I think a potential destination is Chicago. I think Lonzo may be broken... and they should be nervous. He almost surely is not playing a full season this year. They are kind of all in. I could see them trading Ball for Mike (there might be other salary too). They own a portland pick that is top 15 protected for like 6 years. Maybe you get that pick, Ball, and a swap in 2029 with the Minny pick or our pick. Then if Ball gets healthy he is kind of a great fit with Sexton. You also can sit him all year which is a great tank move. Has one extra year on his deal. Bring Cowboy Mike Elliot back for a redemption project.

I like this one a lot.

Another potential Conley deal is to Dallas for Bertans + Green + a 1st.

 

[homeytennis]

The Jazz need to thin the roster. They need to find a 3-1 trade and then head to camp.

 

[NUMBERICA]

If Conley doesn't go to the Lakers I think a potential destination is Chicago. I think Lonzo may be broken... and they should be nervous. He almost surely is not playing a full season this year. They are kind of all in. I could see them trading Ball for Mike (there might be other salary too). They own a portland pick that is top 15 protected for like 6 years. Maybe you get that pick, Ball, and a swap in 2029 with the Minny pick or our pick. Then if Ball gets healthy he is kind of a great fit with Sexton. You also can sit him all year which is a great tank move. Has one extra year on his deal. Bring Cowboy Mike Elliot back for a redemption project.

Nice. Finding a situation for Conley is pretty rough but this makes some sense. Honestly, any kind of 1st for Conley in this context is a good win.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I like this one a lot.

Another potential Conley deal is to Dallas for Bertans + Green + a 1st.

I thought about this a lot, but I think it's a stretch that after Conley's series against them that they're gonna see him as much more than an opportunity to get out of Bertans terrible contract.

I do think the Mavs might consider sending '26 unprotected and 28' lightly protected for Sexton midseason, though (assuming Sexton comes out guns blazing).

 

[whatthe]

Nice. Finding a situation for Conley is pretty rough but this makes some sense. Honestly, any kind of 1st for Conley in this context is a good win.

Ok if Conley goes to Chicago or the Mavs then the Lakers would want Beasley.

Bogey, Beasely, Clarkson, NAW and/or Butler to make to salary work and avoid the tax?

 

[NUMBERICA]

Ok if Conley goes to Chicago then the Lakers would want Beasley.

Bogey, Beasely, Clarkson, NAW and/or Butler to make to salary work and avoid the tax?

I just think the best offer for the Lakers out there is:

Bogey/Beasley/JC/Vando
for
Westbrook/Nunn and draft stuff

JC probably opts out, so they basically have the most money anyone would offer Kyrie next year, while keeping Vando (and his Bird Rights). If JC doesn't opt out, they STILL might be the team with the biggest offer for him and have JC. Gives the Lakers basically an entire legit NBA rotation around Lebron and AD.

Lakers would probably prefer to take back less money in a deal but the Jazz are right up against the LT and close to the hard apron. This is as close to equal salaries as you can find.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Nice. Finding a situation for Conley is pretty rough but this makes some sense. Honestly, any kind of 1st for Conley in this context is a good win.

I just put together a 4 team masterpiece with LA/Portland/Utah/Chicago. Vando goes to Portland... winslow to LA... Beasley/Bogey from Utah to LA.

Lakers send the pick (28) and a swap (27)... Porty reduced protections to top 4... Bulls send the Porty pick and maybe a swap in 29.

 

[Elizah Huge]

I just think the best offer for the Lakers out there is:

Bogey/Beasley/JC/Vando
for
Westbrook/Nunn and draft stuff

JC probably opts out, so they basically have the most money anyone would offer Kyrie next year, while keeping Vando (and his Bird Rights). If JC doesn't opt out, they STILL might be the team with the biggest offer for him and have JC. Gives the Lakers basically an entire legit NBA rotation around Lebron and AD.

Lakers would probably prefer to take back less money in a deal but the Jazz are right up against the LT and close to the hard apron. This is as close to equal salaries as you can find.

I don’t really see a Vanderbilt/Nunn swap being a part of the deal but maybe.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I don’t really see a Vanderbilt/Nunn swap being a part of the deal but maybe.

For the Lakers' bag? Cuz the Lakers won't give the bag or cuz the Jazz would **** around for some reason?

They don't get him without sending the bag. They do if they do. Simple.

 

[homeytennis]

Yahoo is reporting the Celtics may have an interest in Rudy Gay after the Gallo injury.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Yahoo is reporting the Celtics may have an interest in Rudy Gay after the Gallo injury.

Holy ****, really?

 

[AlaskanAssassin]

Yahoo is reporting the Celtics may have an interest in Rudy Gay after the Gallo injury.

Not sure I buy that.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Holy ****, really?

If the Jazz can send him into one of the TPEs then that would open up more possibilities to explore in getting the bag offer across the finish line.

 

[whatthe]

If you get off of Gay's salary then the trade with the Lakers becomes more likely. You trade only Bogey, Beasley, NAW and Butler. You keep Clarkson and Conley for other trades. The Lakers would love this from a cap and talent perspective. Their salary drops this year and they have zero money allocated for next year. That's the best deal for them.