Official 2023 draft night thread!

[SoberasHotRod]

In my opinion High level passing is more about vision and decision making, which is one of the more difficult/unlikely things to develop.

 

[The Midnight]

There’s elite passing and there’s passing as part of a system.

I think the former can’t be taught but the latter can be.

… but 1 thing is for sure, elite scoring mentality & skills are HARD to develop.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

There’s elite passing and there’s passing as part of a system.

I think the former can’t be taught but the latter can be.

There's like what, 10 (at the very most) elite passera in the NBA.

Jazz just need some elite decision makers. That's why they should have drafted JHS

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

There’s elite passing and there’s passing as part of a system.

I think the former can’t be taught but the latter can be.

… but 1 thing is for sure, elite scoring mentality & skills are HARD to develop.

Yeah and scorers have the most trade value.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

It Whitmore just interviews like a normal draftee, he gets picked at 5. Then Ausuar goes 6th. Walker still probably goes 7th and then the Wizards have to decide between Bilal and Black.

Whitmore being a ****ing ******** cost us Black or Bilal. I'm crushed.

 

[TheStormofWar]

It Whitmore just interviews like a normal draftee, he gets picked at 5. Then Ausuar goes 6th. Walker still probably goes 7th and then the Wizards have to decide between Bilal and Black.

Whitmore being a ****ing ******** cost us Black or Bilal. I'm crushed.

I think the word around the camp fire was that Whit pulled a Jalen Carter and couldn't finish workouts. If the vaping thing is true as well, that's a non-starter for a lot of teams. Reminds me of Robert Whaley for some reason, just change the legal issues for conditioning.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I think the word around the camp fire was that Whit pulled a Jalen Carter and couldn't finish workouts. If the vaping thing is true as well, that's a non-starter for a lot of teams. Reminds me of Robert Whaley for some reason, just change the legal issues for conditioning.

Guys have bad workouts all the time. It had to be workouts in tandem with bad interviews (and probably questionable medical).

 

[TheStormofWar]

Guys have bad workouts all the time. It had to be workouts in tandem with bad interviews (and probably questionable medical).

Probably. I don't think the medical is as big an issue if it's his thumb. If the heart thing is true though, that's a red flag (not a yellow).

If it's workouts, he probably didn't finish them. It's one thing if your shot or handle is off. Not being able to finish is a red flag, particularly if he's got sucking up the flavored juice.

 

[cowhide]

Well I am over my disappointment, mostly because I am always a little disappointed with the Jazz, too much speculation gets my hope up but I was fine with Hendricks just a little down on the other two picks because I never considered them during all the discussions. Now I will cheer hard for them and hope they all play in summer league and do well.

 

[Coach Ellis]

At 28, I’m not putting too much stock in Sensabaugh hitting. Figuring out which of those guys makes it is as random as it gets. But Keyonte George better be ****ing awesome. The Jazz desperately need him to become the very best version of himself possible. Jazz are loaded with combo guards and there’s an opportunity at the 1. Let’s hope Ainge and company found the right guy and go get it.

 

[fishonjazz]

I know it's not the point to make the perfect lineup, but unless Keyonte George is James Harden this lineup just does not work:

Keyonte
Ochai
Hendricks
Lauri
Kessler

Not a good fit.

Looks fine to me.

 

[fishonjazz]

Who you want to call the 3 and who you want to call the 4 means absolutely nothing.

Exactly. Thats a great situation to have that versatility and size at those positions. Good point.

 

[fishonjazz]

Who's the passer in this lineup? Definitely not the guy who averaged more TOs than assists in college

Whoever Hardy decides. Or all of them. Passing is an easy thing to do. Grab a basketball and find another human and try to pass them the ball. Its super easy. Easier than dribbling or shooting.

 

[fishonjazz]

The ball handler needs to be Luka Doncic for this to work. You've got 4 guys who don't play with the ball in their hands. I also think you're lacking a big wing defender. Ochai is too small, Hendricks is just OK on the ball and better away from it.

I don't really see Ochai as the starting SG of the future so I'm not bothered, but yeah, there's no creation in this lineup.

6'5" 220 isn't small.

 

[Jaanipoeg]

6'5" 220 isn't small.

Plus 6'10" wingspan. Ochai has good size to play a 2/3 combo

 

[whatthe]

Yeah, having Stockton level or Kelly Olynyk level passing is very nice. But still if it is emphasized in the culture and team it can improve for everyone.

 

[idiot]

Well, I probably could have figured this out last summer, but it's clear that the DA regime clearly values shot-taking/shot-making ability more than I do relative to passing and what we might often call "feel for the game" in a team concept. They really seem to have a thing for combo guards and seem to have some confidence in making the play-making work out somehow without a pure point. Hope their philosophy turns out to be the better one.

 

[fishonjazz]

Plus 6'10" wingspan. Ochai has good size to play a 2/3 combo

He also has the right 220 lb body. Lots of muscle. He is a hard worker and quick with decisions.

 

[fishonjazz]

Well, I probably could have figured this out last summer, but it's clear that the DA regime clearly values shot-taking/shot-making ability more than I do relative to passing and what we might often call "feel for the game" in a team concept. They really seem to have a thing for combo guards and seem to have some confidence in making the play-making work out somehow without a pure point. Hope their philosophy turns out to be the better one.

It worked out last year. Dunn and THT had really good assist numbers.

 

[whatthe]

Good/Great passing is an advantage. We just got to be atleast average and slowly build up our strengths. It will all come and it will get there as we get more talented.