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Tre Johnson Will Likely be The 5th Pick

slc said:
Maybe do what Tony Jones mentioned
Trade 5 and 21 to Nets for 8 and 19
Jazz could still get someone they want at 8 and move up a couple spots
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Bawse Dawg said:
That’s a cataclysmically terrible trade.

If TJ really proposed that with nothing else added it’s actually hilarious how terrible it is. 3 top ten spots given up to move from 21 to 19 - lol
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Maybe he likes someone like Fears or Kon or Kas or whoever.
 
To be clear this is not exactly what Tony Jones said in his comments
Somebody posted what he said. If somebody can repost it again please
Tony said something like if Jazz got the #5 pick they may consider moving down and still be able to get
somebody they like
I apologize to Tony for not quoting him accurately
 
slc said:
To be clear this is not exactly what Tony Jones said
Somebody posted what he said. If somebody can repost it again please
Tony said something like if Jazz got the #5 pick they may consider moving down and still be able to get
somebody they like
I apologize to Tony for not quoting him accurately
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I remember the post. It said the Jazz had multiple players they like starting at #3. So, for example, if the Jazz had the #3 pick, they could trade back to #5 and still get Tre Johnson, or maybe trade back to #6 and still get Fears or Kon.
 
I’d agree with the premise that Tre Johnson is the most likely pick. I’d also say that the most likely scenario where we don’t end up with Tre is probably a trade. I could see a trade up or down more easily than I can see DA passing on Tre.

I've put a lot of time into thinking about the 5th pick. Through that process I’ve only become more pessimistic about Tre as a prospect. This is one of those times where I hope I’m wrong.
 
Philadelphia needs to decide what direction they're heading. There is some chance that they'll trade the pick and someone else is drafting at #3. Not a big chance, but some.
 
If the Jazz can get up to #3 without having to give up #5, then I’d be all for that.

Disappointment has passed for me, and now I just want the Jazz to pick a definitive direction. Tank? Don’t tank? Go full fire sale? Just pick a lane.
 
Coach Ellis said:
If the Jazz can get up to #3 without having to give up #5, then I’d be all for that.

Disappointment has passed for me, and now I just want the Jazz to pick a definitive direction. Tank? Don’t tank? Go full fire sale? Just pick a lane.
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I think it would be outright malpractice to not tank next year. Having the 5th pick and thinking we’re good just isn’t it.
 
My reservations with Tre begin with notion that he’s not a great prospect outside of his shooting. Chances are that he’s a terrible defender and no matter how good of an offensive player he is he will have to overcome that. It’s rare that bad defensive prospects become good or even average. Offensively, I do think he’s an elite shooting prospect, but again…not much besides that. Attacking the basket is the key to creating efficient shots for himself and teammates, he can’t do that and I’m not super optimistic that he can develop that. Typically we see things go the opposite way where a player will shoot less at the rim and FT line as a pro. If he has a similar shot selection to what he had in college he could be elite at making those shots and still not an all star. Extremely touch way of making a living in the NBA. His highlight real doubles as a lowlight reel for me because while he can make tough shots, he can’t create good ones.
 
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KqWIN said:
I think it would be outright malpractice to not tank next year.
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Me too, but I can see the results of this lottery making Ryan Smith gun shy on that strategy. If DA/JZ truly believe in that pathway, they should go all in and burn it down like many of us wanted back in 2022.

Trade Lauri, Collins, Sexton, Clarkson (if you can), and try to free up a crap ton of cap space for 2027 after the OKC protections have expired. Jazz need to be in asset accumulation mode still and just push the window to make big moves out another year.
 
Coach Ellis said:
Me too, but I can see the results of this lottery making Ryan Smith gun shy on that strategy. If DA/JZ truly believe in that pathway, they should go all in and burn it down like many of us wanted back in 2022.

Trade Lauri, Collins, Sexton, Clarkson (if you can), and try to free up a crap ton of cap space for 2027 after the OKC protections have expired. Jazz need to be in asset accumulation mode still and just push the window to make big moves out another year.
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It’s possible that Ryan Smith got lured by the appeal of gambling and now wants to change that. I can see that impatience for sure especially if DA sold him on the idea of Flagg like it was a guarantee. I think we’re in a horrible spot to try to push forward and win more games, but that might be the mandate from Smith. IMO, that’s a direct ticket to losing our pick but also having zero shot of winning anything of consequence. As a fan, all I can hope for is that Smith doesn’t push the franchise to do something stupid.
 
KqWIN said:
My reservations with Tre begin with notion that he’s not a great prospect outside of his shooting. Chances are that he’s a terrible defender and no matter how good of an offensive player he is he will have to overcome that. It’s rare that bad defensive prospects become good or even average. Offensively, I do think he’s an elite shooting prospect, but again…not much besides that. Attacking the basket is the key to creating efficient shots for himself and teammates, he can’t do that and I’m not super optimistic that he can develop that. Typically we see things go the opposite way where a player will shoot less at the rim and FT line as a pro. If he has a similar shot selection to what he had in college he could be elite at making those shots and still not an all star. Extremely touch way of making a living in the NBA. His highlight real doubles as a lowlight reel for me because while he can make tough shots, he can’t create good ones.
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Well said. Not a Tre believer right now at all.

I see taller JC vs Booker.
 
Bodhi said:
Well said. Not a Tre believer right now at all.

I see taller JC vs Booker.
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The harsh reality is that unless you’re drafting elite prospect (e.g. Flagg or Harper level), you probably are getting a JC level player over a Booker. You can get a Booker level player, but you have to accept the fact that it’s extremely unlikely. I don’t think Tre’a chances of being a star player are better than the other prospects in this tier. It would require him to be like all time great level at what he currently does or drastically change the way he scores. Yeah, it seems unlikely that the other guys are able to make the leap to star but I don’t think Tre is much closer just because he shot and scored a lot.

So I don’t see the star potential as much different, but anything beyond the very high outcomes I also don’t love it from Tre. You are indeed getting that Clarkson archetype. That can be valuable in the right situation, but I prefer different archetypes of players. I think guys like Kon and Kas will be winning guys even if they’re not hitting on that 95th percentile outcome. Whereas with Tre winning value could be questioned even on the very high end of outcomes.

I’d probably bet on the other guys scaling up into a star a role as much as I’d bet on Tre maintaining/adding to remain in a star role. And anything outside of those extreme positive scenarios I definitely prefer how the other guys play.
 
Is Tre that different from a taller Beasley or Cam Thomas? Because you are usually getting players like them outside of the lottery. I have not watched Tre closely so can anyone tell me what would make him better than those two guys?
 
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