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Following Potential 2025 Draftees

HadAnEffectHere said:
The sheer belief you have in Lauri's current trade market is odd. The Kings refused to trade a very mediocre prospect in Keegan Murray for Lauri last offseason and instead offered four firsts. Since the Jazz turned down that offer, Lauri has signed a max contract and had a really bad season.

He clearly has less value than Pascal Siakam had when Siakam was traded to Indiana as Siakam

1. Was just as good as Lauri
2. Had less injury history than Lauri
3. Had a proven record as a winner (he's a champion with lots of playoff experience, Lauri has never made the postseason)

Here's what Siakam got

Two likely bad but lightly protected firsts (2024 and 2026 from Indiana)
One very bad first (the late first that Toronto then traded to Utah for Olynyk and Agbaji)
Bruce Brown's contract

This is basically the ceiling of what we should expect if we trade Lauri and it's likely to be less than this.
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Blah blah blah. Do you just type the word garbage into ChatGPT and this is what comes out? You are on a world class streak today.
 
After thinking it through, I'm pretty convinced Philly is taking Edgecombe if they don't trade the pick. He rates too highly by all stat models and is way more ready to go right now than Ace or Tre or the other guys.

kcgar said:
Blah blah blah. Do you just type the word garbage into ChatGPT and this is what comes out? You are on a world class streak today.
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Why should Lauri get as much as Pascal Siakam got?

Make an argument as to why Lauri should match the Siakam return (2 so-so firsts and one bad first) let alone surpass it.
 
Revisiting Noa Essengue. For me, he makes the considered list at #5 if Tre Johnson is gone. His size, ability to run the floor, get downhill, finish at the rim, and make defensive plays all compare well vs. Ace Bailey. Questions are Noa's shooting and rebounding consistency, but he seems to be developing pretty well overall and has further physical development ahead of him. I was thinking he'd be impressing at the Combine if he measured and shot the ball well, but he's still playing in Europe.

He should be a 4/3 in the NBA and can be slotted next to Cam Boozer or Chris Cenac next year, when we draft top 5 again.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fXsKQ8Owlc
 
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Ferguson_Mellochill said:
Revisiting Noa Essengue. For me, he makes the considered list at #5 if Tre Johnson is gone. His ability to run the floor, get downhill, finish at the rim, and make defensive plays all compare well vs. Ace Bailey. Questions are Noa's shooting and rebounding consistency, but he seems to be developing pretty well overall and has further physical development ahead of him. I was thinking he'd be impressing at the Combine if he measured and shot the ball well, but he's still playing in Europe.

He should be a 4/3 in the NBA and can be slotted next to Cam Boozer or Chris Cenac next year, when we draft top 5 again.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fXsKQ8Owlc
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I'm glad you brought this guy up. I haven't been able to dive into him too deeply but what I have seen from him has been impressive. He has also been playing well for his team according to the box score (don't have access to the games)
The initial impression is that I like him more than Ace.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:

View: https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1922322795775594635
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Ferguson_Mellochill said:

View: https://x.com/libaanstar1/status/1922326246416891962
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I feel extremely blessed that one of Tre, VJ, or Ace will simply fall in our lap. This is the big picture, and why we tanked for worst record. Gsetting the first pick or second would’ve been gravy. By the way I like VJ and Tre better than Ace, and I’ve gone back and fourth on who I like more between VJ and Tre.
 
Basketball Novice said:
I'm glad you brought this guy up. I haven't been able to dive into him too deeply but what I have seen from him has been impressive. He has also been playing well for his team according to the box score (don't have access to the games)
The initial impression is that I like him more than Ace.
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Ace is a better shooter than Noa. However, I think if Ace and Noa played one-on-one, Noa would likely win. Noa is taller and moves more fluidly. His defensive instincts and reactions appear better. Noa actually measured at 6'9" and had a 9'3" standing reach as a 17 y.o.

They played in different leagues this year, obviously, but their Per 36 numbers are similar: 19 pts, 8 rebs. If I were the Jazz, I'd love to see them work out against each other.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9a1dep8pcM
 
It's becoming clear now the Jazz may get a very good player at #5
So not getting Flagg may not be as bad as some thought
And next year if Jazz can get in the top 5 that will also be very good :) :)
 
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