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These latest batches of Noah Penda Cashiggy videos have me reconsidering him a little. I think I'm lower on him defensively than I hear people taking about him, but I might be a little higher offensively.
He's a rare combination of size, strength, and touch. In one clip he's barreling in to people like a full back and then in another he is making a nice pocket pass. He can shoot enough for me to believe it could be a strength at some point.
Defensively he isn't as quick footed or effective as people talk about, but the things that stands out is he contests so many shots. He is very active and looks to be involved there.
I don't know, I had him outside of my top 30, but he might end up higher than that.
He's a rare combination of size, strength, and touch. In one clip he's barreling in to people like a full back and then in another he is making a nice pocket pass. He can shoot enough for me to believe it could be a strength at some point.
Defensively he isn't as quick footed or effective as people talk about, but the things that stands out is he contests so many shots. He is very active and looks to be involved there.
I don't know, I had him outside of my top 30, but he might end up higher than that.
There are so many intriguing guys like him in this draft that could hit outside of the lottery.
From what I’ve seen in VJ’s cashiggy film, I think this style of video is pretty favorable to VJ…definitely more so than watching full games. In my opinion, his offensive weaknesses tend to show up more in live play, particularly his struggles to establish himself and create something out of nothing. In these videos, you’ll see the misses and turnovers, but you won’t catch the possessions where he drives and nothing materializes. Those are the possessions that raise questions and they don’t make the cut.
He also doesn’t make a lot of outright mistakes, so everything included tends to look solid.
That said…he looks incredible. I was swapping between he and Ace and his videos acted as a palate cleanser.
He also doesn’t make a lot of outright mistakes, so everything included tends to look solid.
That said…he looks incredible. I was swapping between he and Ace and his videos acted as a palate cleanser.
With Ace, I don’t want to say there is not much to see, but his film really hammers in what we all kind of agree on with him as a prospect. He is extremely talented. Tall, athletic, with great shooting touch. Other parts of his game like his handle and defense a work in progress, but I would say they’re in a decent spot given how young he is. You won’t see prospects take and make the kind of difficult shots he does.
It’s what does not appear in his videos that is the real concern. He does not produce easy offense and everything is geared towards a mid range shot. There are a couple possessions where he actually puts his head down and challenges the defense at the hoop, but 9/10 times he’s using any bit of space to shoot a mid range shot. And because he’s so skilled and always hunting that space he gets the tough shot attempt all day everyday.
It really comes down to how much you can mold him. I’m not sure he’s willing, but he is talented enough. It’s a hard determination to make from where we’re sitting. The real interviews behind closed doors should be the deciding factor. I can’t get the thought that he’s wing Ayton out my head. If Ayton was able to be molded, he would have been a multi time all star. But it’s easier said than done.
I just watched about 15 minutes straight of Kas turnovers. I was hoping to see the majority were because he was just trying to do too much, but it was really a mixed bag to be honest.
I would say about half were not concerning and were due to miscommunication with teammates or trying to thread a tight needle, he also turns the ball over frequently with his foul baiting with offensive turnovers or making unnatural movements.
The other half are pretty concerning. He does get stripped by the better defenders he plays against and while I think he is a very good ball handler, you have to be elite to be a lead ball handler in the NBA. The other concerning thing was his turnovers due to athleticism concerns. He would get past his guy and then get stuck in the paint with nowhere to go, or at times tried to get separation and wasn't able to.
There were some careless passes in there as well, but I'm not overly concerned as it happens to everyone, but could be a sign of lack of focus at times.
I'm going to go watch all of his assists now so that I can get back on the hype train.
View: https://youtu.be/W-Bs-t5wvJ4?si=sUPKwQNkIxZr3H5m
I would say about half were not concerning and were due to miscommunication with teammates or trying to thread a tight needle, he also turns the ball over frequently with his foul baiting with offensive turnovers or making unnatural movements.
The other half are pretty concerning. He does get stripped by the better defenders he plays against and while I think he is a very good ball handler, you have to be elite to be a lead ball handler in the NBA. The other concerning thing was his turnovers due to athleticism concerns. He would get past his guy and then get stuck in the paint with nowhere to go, or at times tried to get separation and wasn't able to.
There were some careless passes in there as well, but I'm not overly concerned as it happens to everyone, but could be a sign of lack of focus at times.
I'm going to go watch all of his assists now so that I can get back on the hype train.
View: https://youtu.be/W-Bs-t5wvJ4?si=sUPKwQNkIxZr3H5m
Not a top 10 prospect imo and not a NBA PG. I think he could be pretty good, but I see him more as a combo guard next to a primary initiator as his best role.
Very solid role player prospect. Could see him going as high as late lotto to the Spurs if they want to lock in a role player that fits their team
I’m a huge Kas guy and I’m hoping we start to see some draft hype around him to revisit his case more….but it feels like he’s between our picks and that time would be wasted.
Turnovers is an interesting one. Oddly enough, I don’t see high turnovers as a huge negative indicator. It’s obviously not good, but it hasn’t acted as a prohibitive factor in the past.
I do agree with what you’re saying about his handle. It’s not tight enough and it’s a current limiting factor that is probably not brought up enough. It does surface itself in the high turnover number a bit, but like you said the turnovers come from all different sources. In terms of being a lead guard, I’m actually more concerned with his handle than his 3 ball despite the low 3FG%.
Good chance he’s like Dinwiddie IMO.
I still like him quite a bit, there aren't 9 players in this draft that have a better case than him, in my opinion. After 2, they all have major flaws.
I agree it's more likely that he isn't a lead ball handler, but thats part of why he is a good prospect because he should be able to play off ball. At least with his upside as a lead ball handler it isn't all just imaginary as that's the actual role he had in college.
The Jazz Wonderbra
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Cam was considered a top 3 pick candidate on talent but there were some concerns and rumblings. Most mocks had him top 5. Isn't that the same as Ace?
Now, are the concerns the same? I dont know. But it just feels similar to me.
framer
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If I remember correctly there were some concerning medicals on Cam as well as he bombed his interviews and workouts. I don't see Ace as having the same problems. People are way overblowing Ace's "problems."
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It seems like 16 with Orlando would be a decent spot to target for a trade, maybe using Key to get into that spot since it seems like he’d be a good fit with them? One of Fears/Kas/Demin will most likely be there, I’d love to get one of them to split minutes with Collier and see who develops the best as a potential PG of the future
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I guess it would be the same if Ace falls to the 20's or something and I guess he could. After all we didn't think Cam would fall that far so maybe you have a point.
I would bet tons of money though that Ace wont have nearly the same fall as Cam. Again though, I would have bet tons of money that Cam would have at least been top 10
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Maybe we could do Sexton instead? Im not ready to pull the plug on Key, though I understand why anyone would be ready.
