And he can’t shoot.
Following Potential 2025 Draftees
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seattlejazzfan
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when you're 6'11" and just turned 18, is 30% from three against better competition than any college player really that bad? saying he "can't shoot" (in general and if it fits, i otherwise have no problem with that phrase) doesn't seem quite fair.
If you have watched him shoot.......he can shoot. His form isnt bad at all. Hes a giraffe growing into an elite NBA body.
He's my huge upside bet in this draft.
seattlejazzfan
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what's crazy about Essengue too, is for a guy with monster potential, i actually think his floor is pretty high as well. iow, he might be one of the lowest risk guys in the draft just based on his production at such a young age at a high level in europe.
I think it's a concern. There are plenty of really good players who aren't the most athletic, but I'm not sure if Kon is quite a crafty as them.
I think there is also probably a baseline athleticism you need as a non big playing in the NBA. I think Kon probably just barely passes that threshold, but it's not 100% that he does. I put very little stock in to combine athletic testing, but getting Kon's numbers would have been nice.
100% agree. Look at his passing as an example of his BBIQ and feel.
He's not a dummy with insane length and athleticism. I will get roasted for this but he gives me early Giannis vibes.
It feels like there have been a ton of similar prospects to him that have busted. I could be wrong as I haven't followed the draft that closely for that many years.
He's averaging 1.1ast and 1.0 turnovers.
FWIW, I think I see the upside, I just don't think he's a safe pick at all, especially not at 5.
These are great questions for which I don't have greats answers to. It would be interesting to look back at the history on guys like VJ and Kas to see if there's a trend.
What I do know is that the college game is way more about forcing it at the rim. Rim% usually increases at the NBA level, but the frequency drops. FTr also typically drops. NBA rewards the foul baiters, but college players just foul a ton.
Yes you will; Giannis was playing point guard.
There are about 100 more examples of Coulibalys than Giannises.
My comment had nothing to do with his number of assists. It was in reference to some high level reads and the ability to identify an advantage.
I think we get caught on this board a lot with "here are his stats now at 18, so thats all he will be at 24 with NBA development".
seattlejazzfan
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there really haven't. guys who produce at europe's highest levels in their teens rarely bust. it's not unheard of, of course, but it's rare. and it makes sense. they are playing against grown men who have played in the league, were stars in college, etc - but it's not fake basketball like the g league - it's legit hard to put up big numbers. if you can do that at 18/19, it's rare you won't become a useful player in the NBA.
most of the euro busts over the years are guys who rarely played and/or didn't produce much in the top levels or who put up numbers at the junior levels.
Bookmark it and holler at me in 6 years then.
Essengue is a fine prospect. Using the 5th pick on him is ****ing madness. Truly.
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That's fine, but we are talking about his floor here. At least by my definition a floor involves things that a prospect has demonstrated with enough frequency that it feels repeatable.
Literally LOL'n.........where in this board have I ever said we should take him at 5?
^Thats the name of the thread^. So, like, we talk about potential 2025 draftees. All of em.
And yet most GM's **** up the draft as an annual tradition. There is no science my brother.
It doesn't feel like 12pts/5reb/1ast in one of the less good European leagues is great production, but I don't have a super great feel for this.
I know that Killian Hayes was a completely different prospect, but he was averaging 12pts/2reb/6ast on the same team.
Three things:
1. I didn’t say that you said that.
2. You did make a comp to Giannis which is probably about on par with saying he’s worth the 5th pick, perhaps even wilder.
3. This part of the thread about Essengue started with the eye-popping suggestion from @Ferguson_Mellochill that we should consider drafting Essengue with the 5th pick and you chimed into that stream of discussion to talk about how great it would be to draft Essengue.