Following Potential 2025 Draftees

[Elizah Huge]

Very interested to see what Rafael Barlowe says about the Jazz at 5 in the coming weeks.

He has correctly predicted Keyonte at 16 and Cody at 10 two years in a row.

When I talked to him at Summer League I asked how he knew the Jazz wanted Keyonte before everyone else. He said he had an in with Keyonte’s people.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Thank God saint isn't a jazz scout. Dude woulda busted the team out of utah.

Fears over VJ? Gtfo

You have literally never contributed an intelligent thought to this message board.

 

[HadAnEffectHere]

Neither Fears or Collier are relevant NBA players unless they become great shooters. Fears has some potential to get there whereas it's hard to see with Collier.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Very interested to see what Rafael Barlowe says about the Jazz at 5 in the coming weeks.

He has correctly predicted Keyonte at 16 and Cody at 10 two years in a row.

When I talked to him at Summer League I asked how he knew the Jazz wanted Keyonte before everyone else. He said he had an in with Keyonte’s people.

Makes sense because Keyonte is from the DFW and Barlowe lives in Dallas and has roots in the grassroots scene.

 

[kcgar]

Is that how you evaluate THT’s shooting?

Don't forget his profile pic.

 

[Schrödinger's Gerbil]

It's not tongue in cheek at all. Collier has one of the most erratic miss charts of any player I've seen.

Reading through the comparisons offered by other posters, the difference between the two appears more marginal than immeasurable. (The play on words would have been that the two were so similar that the differences aren't really that material, thus "immeasurable.")

You seem to adhere to a rather elastic definition of "immeasurable."

 

[HadAnEffectHere]

Very interested to see what Rafael Barlowe says about the Jazz at 5 in the coming weeks.

He has correctly predicted Keyonte at 16 and Cody at 10 two years in a row.

When I talked to him at Summer League I asked how he knew the Jazz wanted Keyonte before everyone else. He said he had an in with Keyonte’s people.

Cody Williams was very obvious. Basically as soon as you heard him speak, it was a slam dunk that was he was going to be picked by the Jazz at 10. Here's me on Reddit immediately after the combine.


View: https://www.reddit.com/r/UtahJazz/comments/1cuf7k1/think_that_cody_williams_is_currently_in_the_lead/


The issue is how much the Jazz's draft process has changed since picking Cody. "Extremely intelligent off the court but doesn't show it on the court yet" immediately suggests Coward as a guy they love, but who knows if they're going with a very different philosophy after Cody was bad and Keyonte was ehh.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

He does this “sneaky troll” sometimes when it’s slow around here…

The draft cannot come soon enough.

#NoFears

I remember when everyone here called me a troll for saying Edey should be a lottery pick and he ended up a lottery pick.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Reading through the comparisons offered by other posters, the difference between the two appears more marginal than immeasurable. (The play on words would have been that the two were so similar that the differences aren't really that material, thus "immeasurable.")

You seem to adhere to a rather elastic definition of "immeasurable."

Yes, because you cant measure miss charts (unless you have a ridiculous amount of time on your hands) to truly evaluate where a player misses his shots on the rim. The form and consistency Fears has over Collier on his shooting form is immeasurably better.

 

[HadAnEffectHere]

Collier's touch is really bad whereas Fears has very good touch, his jumpshot form just sucks.

(This was the same case with Cody last year and has had terrible returns with Cody. But Fears does have better touch than Cody does)

 

[SoberasHotRod]

I've posted this before, but found it again and think it's still relevant.

NBA Draft: Prediction of NBA Three-Point Shooting using College Shooting Data

In the NBA draft world, the debate about using college stats as NBA predictors is hotly contested and ever-present in prospect discourse.

hoopsandhoos.substack.com

- Debunks the myth that college FT% is a better indicator of NBA 3pt% than college 3pt%
- A model that combines 3pt%, FT% and 3PA, similar to what I believe Tankathon is using, is the best prediction tool.
- The model still has inherent errors in the fact that it can't differentiate between the types of shots taken (self generated vs assisted vs guarded, etc.)

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Collier's touch is really bad whereas Fears has very good touch, his jumpshot form just sucks.

(This was the same case with Cody last year and has had terrible returns with Cody. But Fears does have better touch than Cody does)

Fears has good form. He just doesnt have great shot-base consistency because he takes a wide variety of 3pt shots when he should be taking better shots, but that's the life of an 18 year old who has to be the best player on a mediocre team.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Locke drops a skims add and directly goes in to talking about how thicc Kon is downstairs.

"I don't know if this is good or bad"

I died. Literally said he's "thick downstairs" and I was like "pause".

He then compared him to Kispert/Harris and I was immediately irritated. Said he will struggle at the rim (which might be true) but I believe cited VJ better cuz he can jump high... and he struggled. I just think there is more craft to finishing at the rim these days than "jump high". Kon supposedly has a float game from HS that he didn't do much since it wasn't a shot they liked... I just think there is more than Kispert/Harris... like if those guys could pass and handle they are much different players.

 

[HadAnEffectHere]

Fears' hitch makes me cringe, I hate looking at his jumpshot.

It looks terrible to me and the results were worse, idk.

 

[HadAnEffectHere]

If the Jazz care about this, Fears is obviously the most confident player in the draft during interviews. Extremely strong body language for his age.

But I don't know how much the Jazz will rely on interviews post-Cody.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Fears' hitch makes me cringe, I hate looking at his jumpshot.

It looks terrible to me and the results were worse, idk.

Doesnt have a hitch

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

View: https://youtu.be/44pLEvBpPBA?si=SN51ChTeC9wB8dUU&t=540


At 9:04 Fears as a contested C&S 3. Zero hitch.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

11:28. Clean open C&S, no hitch.

 

[HermanG]

I havent' watched Fears but I would be pretty worried trusting his rim and FT rates translating when he shoots like 28% from 3. NBA defenses will not switch on him and will dive so deep under all screens before he proves he can shoot.

Scoot was the "#1 overall talent in a normal draft" guy who was supposed to get to the rim and to the line.... but now he is taking 43% of his shots from 3 with a rate that would be meh to decent if they werent ALL WIDE OPEN. Amen is another guy from that same draft who was supposed to be able to get to the rim off the dribble so his shooting wasnt "super worrying". Now he is an off ball player and a very awkward fit to any team even if he may win DPOY one day.

I'd rather stay away from primary ball handler prospects who arent shooters. Amen and Scoot athletically.... wow.... yet the reality with them ended up being something else than the plan was.

 

[HadAnEffectHere]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDgmm2fE-N4


He obviously and unnaturally accelerates his shooting form like a quarter of a second before release and it's both hitch-like and very ugly. It looks like he's angrily throwing the ball.

Maybe this is not a shooting form problem precisely and more a physical strength problem? But it looks just heinous.