Following Potential 2025 Draftees

[Handlogten's Heros]

Beringer started playing basketball 4 years ago. I'm sorry, but now I'm incredibly intrigued.

Maybe could end up being Jarrett Allen?

Feels like every year there are one or two of these guys... is it actually an indicator of a possible giant development leap?

 

[seattlejazzfan]

Feels like every year there are one or two of these guys... is it actually an indicator of a possible giant development leap?

i mean, it makes sense, but in reality probably not. so many of these "raw" prospects bust. some of them pan out of course too, but my guess the hit/miss rate is about the same as any other prospect.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

i mean, it makes sense, but in reality probably not. so many of these "raw" prospects bust. some of them pan out of course too, but my guess the hit/miss rate is about the same as any other prospect.

I think it honestly means they may not ever get the amount of reps they could have and may not be some rapid improvement hack. Like they missed part of their programming.

 

[KqWIN]

Some of our coaching staff has left since(especially the guy who was directly involved with Mitchell)... but the Jazz had a pretty good success in improving Mitchell's finishing around the rim with introducing some craft and new skills like off-foot finishes, floaters, using extension and length in addition to athleticism, etc. Just a thought... maybe this is actually not that hard to improve if VJ is willing to work on it.

IIRC, Rubio also made some significant strides here. I'm not sure I'd call it an "easy" improvement to make, but I think VJ does have a lot of potential here. I've made a big fuss about how the actual rim rate gets lower in the league, but typically the FG% at the rim increases significantly.

FYI, relevant image:


View: https://x.com/mcfdraft/status/1916972070325420447

 

[KqWIN]

Feels like every year there are one or two of these guys... is it actually an indicator of a possible giant development leap?

I'm kind of making this up, but I feel like while these guys are more likely to improve more, they are also starting the race way behind. It's a factor....but I'd caution making it do too much heavy lifting in evaluation.

 

[jazznik]

I think having Wemby cheap for 2 years is not something SA should punt on either. The cap environment is going to drive more decisions and part of why OKC is so stacked right now is AS caliber talent on rookie deals. Can't just keep extending the window. So it depends on if they want to do the huge bet (Giannis) or make a smaller bet like Lauri.

So, the solutions to it is to trade away a potential perennial All-Star who will be cost controlled for 4 years for a player on a max contract who never played in the playoffs and just posted a 19-8 season? For a player who is injured more often than Anthony Davis?

They may consider trading their 2nd pick (although it is a pretty stupid idea) but for a proven star, who is a proven playoff performer and is generally healthy. That's not Lauri.

 

[HadAnEffectHere]

Feels like every year there are one or two of these guys... is it actually an indicator of a possible giant development leap?

Missi was the only serious prospect last year who started playing very late and he was really under drafted, I think it's a good bet to make.

 

[NAOS_pt2]

If he's an engine, it's one you find in a Ford Focus

an RS with a big turbo swap. In other words, a Ford Focus that's faster around the track than the Porsches that were being made when you were a kid.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

So, the solutions to it is to trade away a potential perennial All-Star who will be cost controlled for 4 years for a player on a max contract who never played in the playoffs and just posted a 19-8 season? For a player who is injured more often than Anthony Davis?

They may consider trading their 2nd pick (although it is a pretty stupid idea) but for a proven star, who is a proven playoff performer and is generally healthy. That's not Lauri.

Of all the games he's missed here, I'd say like 80% were bogus injuries where the team wanted him to sit due to an end-of-season dive or straight up tanking.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

Traore just played his last game (I'm pretty sure). His team lost the second game of the play in just now.

Traore fouled out in 18 minutes. He had 13pts and 3ast on 8fga (26pts and 6ast per 36).

He basically had one really bad stretch in November/December and had played well other than that. I think people look at his per game stats and they don't look that impressive, but European basketball is just different. Most guys don't play more than 25 minutes per game, so you really have to standardize on a per minute basis to compare against NCAA guys playing 32+mpg.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Beringer had 9 points, 8 rebounds, 4 blocks, and 3 steals in his last game in 23 minutes

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Beringer started playing basketball 4 years ago. I'm sorry, but now I'm incredibly intrigued.

Maybe could end up being Jarrett Allen?

Yes, he's going to be very good.

 

[Basketball Novice]

Love both Beringer and Yang. Hopefully the Jazz can grab one of them.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Love both Beringer and Yang. Hopefully the Jazz can grab one of them.

I just really want another big to develop. Not that I dislike Kessler, I just think it's a clear area of need given how the league is trending. A lot of great teams need another big because the backup market has run kind of dry. If you can get a big, and even if you keep Kessler long-term if that guy shows promise he can have trade value.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I just noticed how crazy McNeely flubbed his standing reach number.

6'8 in shoes with a 6'8.5 wingspan but only a 8'3.5 standing reach.

 

[fishonjazz]

I just noticed how crazy McNeely flubbed his standing reach number.

6'8 in shoes with a 6'8.5 wingspan but only a 8'3.5 standing reach.

What would a more typical standing reach be for a guy that size with that wingspan?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

What would a more typical standing reach be for a guy that size with that wingspan?

At least 8'6.

He's basically the exact same length to height ratio as Hayward (actually taller/longer) and his measured at 8'7.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

What would a more typical standing reach be for a guy that size with that wingspan?

to give an idea, labaron philon was 6'4" in shoes with a wingspan of 6'6" and had the same standing reach. so he's a lot shorter, has shorter arms and had the same standing reach.
or
alijah martin who was only 6'3" in shoes, had a 6'7" wingspan and had the same standing reach.

Kobe Sanders had nearly the same height and wingspan and had a standing reach of 8'7"

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I'm pretty low on McNeely but I should probably be higher. His stats don't look good because he had an off shooting year, but he's likely a great shooter. He gets to the FT line really well for a shooter and passes the ball well enough to be a good connective piece plus he has size plus he rebounds his position.

 

[idiot]

I'm way behind on watching guys this year, but got around to watching a Fears game yesterday. Liked what I saw more than I had expected. I see how people can "see it" with him.