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2025 Off-Season Trade Ideas Thread

Handlogten's Heros said:
Unless we are taking on salary dumps then I think we could functionally use Dames contract to acquire someone as the salary medium.

I think you loop in Orlando and send like KCP to Bucks, Sexton to Orlando, Collins KCP to Milwaukee as well. If we sent both Collins/Sexton I would want a protected first. Say its Collins and Clarkson tho... I would be fine with a second. I think they would do that deal regardless of what Giannis is saying tbh. Could also do Cole Anthony but I figured KCP is a deal they'd like to get out of... and it runs as long as Dame's so Milwaukee is still fine.

Some fans lost their minds when I proposed it with a first in there... so fans are gonna fan but I think it is a tank move that isn't reprehensible.
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MIL could also be a destination for Beal. Maybe they can force him out this time. Sexton+Collins is a pretty good expiring contract duo and PHX could use both of them. We could get back some of the crappy picks we got or get their 26 (I think it's the worst of like 7 different teams, but it can be our swap pick for other potential trades).
 
KqWIN said:
MIL could also be a destination for Beal. Maybe they can force him out this time. Sexton+Collins is a pretty good expiring contract duo and PHX could use both of them. We could get back some of the crappy picks we got or get their 26 (I think it's the worst of like 7 different teams, but it can be our swap pick for other potential trades).
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I think the 26 pick is gone but 28 is available. I think 26 went out for the Nic Richards deal/Nurkic dump.

I would try to sub in Clarkson where I could as that would be part of the value. I think Sexton can be moved separately... but they also might give up another light asset to get Sexton... that light asset might come from the KD trade.

Mil was rumored to be in on Beal last year. No idea if that convinces Giannis to stay or makes more sense than something else they could do.
 
The other appeal to the trade from Milwaukee's side... they can retain Lopez on a one year deal if they want... same with Trent jr. If Giannis goes through the year and isn't happy still... you can sell him on having a billion dollars in cap space to fill in around him with hand picked players. They would have Giannis and Kuzma on the books and nothing else.

If Giannis still wants out... you have a completely clean cap sheet.

I'd pitch them Collins and Clarkson - We get a second rounder and a swap on a swap in 2030. Collins and Sexton... we want the first (we can kick over a second or two if needed to smooth over the offer).
 
KqWIN said:
MIL could also be a destination for Beal. Maybe they can force him out this time. Sexton+Collins is a pretty good expiring contract duo and PHX could use both of them. We could get back some of the crappy picks we got or get their 26 (I think it's the worst of like 7 different teams, but it can be our swap pick for other potential trades).
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Handlogten's Heros said:
The other appeal to the trade from Milwaukee's side... they can retain Lopez on a one year deal if they want... same with Trent jr. If Giannis goes through the year and isn't happy still... you can sell him on having a billion dollars in cap space to fill in around him with hand picked players. They would have Giannis and Kuzma on the books and nothing else.

If Giannis still wants out... you have a completely clean cap sheet.

I'd pitch them Collins and Clarkson - We get a second rounder and a swap on a swap in 2030. Collins and Sexton... we want the first (we can kick over a second or two if needed to smooth over the offer).
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Cooked up this monster a while ago and - assuming the proper opt-ins - I think it makes tons of sense. Fanspo didn't have 2032 picks available, but Phoenix and the Jazz each get a Bucks 2nd.
 
framer said:
My dream is that we trade Lauri to get 3, draft Tre, trade back for assets with Washington, get Kon, use Washington assets plus Sexton, plus 21 ( if we still have it) or other assets to get up high enough for Demin. Keep George, keep Collins, roll out and play basketball with what we have.
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KqWIN said:
Trade idea with the news that CLE is open to trading Garland:

Lauri -> CLE
Garland -> SAC
Kangz picks -> UTA
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With Cavs being in 2nd apron it's near impossible for them to acquire Lauri. They can't aggregate players in a trade and their big tradable salaries such as Garland and Allen make less than Lauri. Don's extension kicks in for next season and will match Lauri's salary but they aren't doing that.
 
HeatCheck said:
With Cavs being in 2nd apron it's near impossible for them to acquire Lauri. They can't aggregate players in a trade and their big tradable salaries such as Garland and Allen make less than Lauri. Don's extension kicks in for next season and will match Lauri's salary but they aren't doing that.
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The 2nd apron making is so they can’t aggregate salaries is going to become a major trade issue for these high tax teams. When you have to sell guys in one off deals, it adds some complexity.
 
I think a logical move for Garland would be to ORL for Suggs. If your team needs Garland needs more than they need Suggs, are you actually a contender?
 
KqWIN said:
I think a logical move for Garland would be to ORL for Suggs. If your team needs Garland needs more than they need Suggs, are you actually a contender?
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Suggs has had one good season in the NBA. He's easily the most overrated player in the entire league.

A guard with negative offensive win shares 3 out of 4 years and tons of injury issues for a fringe all-star (though one with tons of injury issues too)?
 
HadAnEffectHere said:
Suggs has had one good season in the NBA. He's easily the most overrated player in the entire league.

A guard with negative offensive win shares 3 out of 4 years and tons of injury issues for a fringe all-star (though one with tons of injury issues too)?
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Did you just say offensive win shares? LMAO
 
KqWIN said:
Did you just say offensive win shares? LMAO
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I'm using offensive win shares because 0.0 is basically a Mendoza line. OWS aren't the best stat and neither is batting average, but you're below 0.0 or below .200, you're probably pretty bad except in extraordinary circumstances.

Suggs' TS+ in his career

80
91
104 (his one good year)
93

Suggs' missed games in his career

34
29
7
47

Suggs' 3P% per season in his career

21.4%
32.7%
39.7%
31.4%

Orlando offensive ranks

30th
26th
22nd
27th

If healthy and shooting 36% from three, he's like the 15th best SG in the NBA.
 
HadAnEffectHere said:
I'm using offensive win shares because 0.0 is basically a Mendoza line. OWS aren't the best stat and neither is batting average, but you're below 0.0 or below .200, you're probably pretty bad except in extraordinary circumstances.

Suggs' TS+ in his career

80
91
104 (his one good year)
93

Suggs' missed games in his career

34
29
7
47

Suggs' 3P% per season in his career

21.4%
32.7%
39.7%
31.4%

Orlando offensive ranks

30th
26th
22nd
27th

If healthy and shooting 36% from three, he's like the 15th best SG in the NBA.
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With all this in mind, do you think the Suggs contract was an overpay? I believe it is 30 million per.
 
HadAnEffectHere said:
I'm using offensive win shares because 0.0 is basically a Mendoza line. OWS aren't the best stat and neither is batting average, but you're below 0.0 or below .200, you're probably pretty bad except in extraordinary circumstances.

Suggs' TS+ in his career

80
91
104 (his one good year)
93

Suggs' missed games in his career

34
29
7
47

Suggs' 3P% per season in his career

21.4%
32.7%
39.7%
31.4%

Orlando offensive ranks

30th
26th
22nd
27th

If healthy and shooting 36% from three, he's like the 15th best SG in the NBA.
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If you use offensive win shares, you’re either an idiot or in bad faith. Nobody making a sound argument would ever resort to offensive win shares. There is no Mendoza line because nobody should ever take a win shares argument seriously.

The idea of holding his rookie and sophomore seasons against him now is stupid in the first place. You’re not trading for rookie Jalen Suggs or any player for who they were 4 years ago in their rookie season lol.

The Cavs need to cut money and find a backcourt partner for Mitchell. Mitchell isn’t willing to defend or share the offensive load, so a defensive guard like Suggs is perfect. His descending contract is also great for their financial situation. The Cavs could get Suggs and fill the well back up with future picks.
 
Basketball Novice said:
With all this in mind, do you think the Suggs contract was an overpay? I believe it is 30 million per.
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It's an ehh deal that would be pretty bad if Franz had gotten his supermax, but Franz getting injured last year was a huge break for the Magic and saved them $8m per year on Franz's deal, so their not ideal contract for Suggs is made up for by Franz's great contract.

Suggs' contract is fine if he shoots 37% ish from three and is around 100 TS+ and stays healthy, but he has struggled to do those things so far in his career. We'll see.

I don't think he has net surplus on his deal and is a neutral value player whereas Garland is positive value.
 
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