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Utah Spy Center........

Duck Rodgers

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Great article. I've read Bamford's books and they are massively long snorefests, but I can appreciate the often inane detail in-relatively- short form:

https://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/all/1

Under construction by contractors with top-secret clearances, the blandly named Utah Data Center is being built for the National Security Agency. A project of immense secrecy, it is the final piece in a complex puzzle assembled over the past decade. Its purpose: to intercept, decipher, analyze, and store vast swaths of the world’s communications as they zap down from satellites and zip through the underground and undersea cables of international, foreign, and domestic networks. The heavily fortified $2 billion center should be up and running in September 2013. Flowing through its servers and routers and stored in near-bottomless databases will be all forms of communication, including the complete contents of private emails, cell phone calls, and Google searches, as well as all sorts of personal data trails—parking receipts, travel itineraries, bookstore purchases, and other digital “pocket litter.” It is, in some measure, the realization of the “total information awareness” program created during the first term of the Bush administration—an effort that was killed by Congress in 2003 after it caused an outcry over its potential for invading Americans’ privacy.

Does this baby make you proud to say it's in our state or scare the hell out of you?
 
Isn't it the subject of "Person of Interest"? I saw the pilot episode of that show, it was similar to this thing.

I hope they don't spy on me...
 
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"If it will cut down DUI's then who gives a damn", or something like that. Perfect world here we come!

Welcome to totalitarian rule. Liberty is dead. Ron Paul 2012 lol

Nonsense. All we need is for society to educate your children properly and everything will be peachy! Children not being forced to learn the right stuff is the only thing holding liberty back. That, and maybe a lack of taser use too.

Don't you remember when all white children were taught blackey was dumb and heathen? We might have gotten it wrong then but nobody's perfect. You can't get it right without making mistakes first. We have it right this time, by golly.
 
Great article. I've read Bamford's books and they are massively long snorefests, but I can appreciate the often inane detail in-relatively- short form:

https://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/all/1



Does this baby make you proud to say it's in our state or scare the hell out of you?

I could care less. I consider myself a conservative liberal and love my freedoms and rights but I'm also not naive enough to think we're able to have some Utopian society without some stringent **** like this to protect said Utopian society. Hyperbole of course but I think you get my point. Might these powers be overused or abused? Sure, but for much, much better than worse imo.

I expect some rebuttal here and am curious from those parties who do respond what truly bad can come from this? I ask that question seriously by the way, not pompously.
 
I could care less. I consider myself a conservative liberal and love my freedoms and rights but I'm also not naive enough to think we're able to have some Utopian society without some stringent **** like this to protect said Utopian society. Hyperbole of course but I think you get my point. Might these powers be overused or abused? Sure, but for much, much better than worse imo.

I expect some rebuttal here and am curious from those parties who do respond what truly bad can come from this? I ask that question seriously by the way, not pompously.

I can see where a lot of folks who swim with the media might just think things are getting better in various ways, and seriously believe the good outweighs the bad. Just go along and get along.

But delusions like this are the insanity of our time. You might be willing to empty the canals fed by Sacramento river to preserve the little fish you are told are the "canary in the mine" that signals our planet is in distress, because the infallible American Mainstream Press is saying so. But the famers with dessicated fields who aren't growing any food are probably even more symbolic as "canaries in the mines" that signal our very lives are in danger, and every right we ever thought we had is gone.

When your little set of comforts in life becomes another popped bubble, and the delusion of security is just absolutely gone, you'll have a more realistic choice: Sit on the street in the cold wind, or get up and act like a man.
 
I can see where a lot of folks who swim with the media might just think things are getting better in various ways, and seriously believe the good outweighs the bad. Just go along and get along.

But delusions like this are the insanity of our time. You might be willing to empty the canals fed by Sacramento river to preserve the little fish you are told are the "canary in the mine" that signals our planet is in distress, because the infallible American Mainstream Press is saying so. But the famers with dessicated fields who aren't growing any food are probably even more symbolic as "canaries in the mines" that signal our very lives are in danger, and every right we ever thought we had is gone.

When your little set of comforts in life becomes another popped bubble, and the delusion of security is just absolutely gone, you'll have a more realistic choice: Sit on the street in the cold wind, or get up and act like a man.

Thanks Orwell, now try to actually provide some ways in which this will pop my "bubble."
 
Thanks Orwell, now try to actually provide some ways in which this will pop my "bubble."

Have you got your job ap in for the new "security" center already???? Are you one of the "cleared" contractors helping to build the data center????

If so, your bubble will pop when you're laid off, your benefits are cut, or the government can't pay for it anymore. Millions of people have taken your path already, and have had to cope somehow when the system ultimately failed, and our system will fail too.

The other class of people, the class of those who have to pay directly for monstrous stupidity like this, ultimately fail to support the system because they're hobbled by all the regulations and increased taxes and just can't produce the stuff you live off of. But being "in the system" actually doesn't give anyone a pass from becoming a victim of the system. What you are involved with is morally just like a drug cartel in how it functions internally. The greatest fear the honchos actually have is not that the pitiful little commoners can hurt them, but that disloyalty within the system will undermine their particular position. Even at the highest levels of the organization, the honchos fear one another, and can and will use the very system they run to solidify their personal power. It's the same at every level of the establishment pyramid, right down to the janitors starting false rumors about one another.

But you're probably an ordinary man on the street, and you probably think that since you're just an inconsequential nobody, you have nothing to fear.

Wrong.

There's a massive computer picking up every idle comment off your phone, your computer, and tracking every move you make. There are license-plate cameras clicking off everywhere you drive, or credit card readers recording every purchase you make. And there will be a need for "production", results from the data center. The computers will follow actually stupid statistical analyses trying to match various putative risk factors or behaviors, and will interpret it with programmed rules imagined by idiots to make some kind of sense. You'll be using the wrong word in a politically-correct way, and the computer will "see" some kind of code speech behind your innocent chatter. The HSA folks will drive to whereever you are, and start giving you instructions to get in their vehicle. They won't show you any ID, and you'll punch one of them in the face, because you'll think they're violating rights you think you still have. You'll be tasored maybe six times, and fall on the curb and crack your skull. The press will quote authorities trying to tell people it's just stupid to try to resist officers.

And nobody is going to argue with them.

You'll think this can't happen to you because you're so smart. And you'll crack your head before it really dawns, too.

And there will be a million other specific ways this system will break down and just become a reign of terror itself far worse than the western-financed muslim terrorist organizations can do us.
 
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