orangello
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I hate Wroten even more now.
Following potential 2012 draftees
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I hate Wroten even more now.
Wroten is probably better because he is more of a PG, but I see them as comparable players.
orangello
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You speak the truth. I used to be so enamored with TWill, but the more I watch of him the less I like him. If Wroten is like that at all, then I hope he lands in Sacramento or some other team that would be great to see them dive bomb.
I'm just worried he isn't elite enough in any one thing to really be a factor in the NBA. Danny Green, who has had a good season for what he has been asked to do, has really failed when the going got tough in the playoffs. I guess it has just left a bad taste in my mouth for 4 year college role players.
I think he is probably going to go to a good team, since he will most likely be selected in the 20's. I hope he does good, he has the makings of a unique player, and I always like to see them succeed and brake the mold.
For PKM and anybody else who's seen enough of these players to provide a comparison:
I'm having a tough time finding good info/video (esp. on D Miller). Here's what I seem to be able to distill from the reports I've seen:
J Taylor: excellent lateral quickness, may be able to play Sefalosha-type defense, shines at on-ball defense, fair SF size but is more of a quickness guy than a strength guy, could guard SGs as well as SFs and can even perform admirably on switches onto PGs, may struggle against powerful forwards, very improved long-range shot, fair (at best) rebounder, very good athleticism, can take advantage of open drives to hoop but not very creative with dribble, probably will never be a good scorer but may do enough to keep defenses honest, may try (or has been asked) to do too much offensively and thus a bit turnover prone, OK at getting to foul line (but needs to improve FT%), some signs of ability to improve over time, hard worker but may be prone to discouragement
D Miller: very reliable shooter from a variety of ranges, very little creativity off the dribble though can take advantage of clear opportunities, not particularly assertive but good at blending into system, a bit better size (esp. strength) than Taylor, terrible rebounder, good but not elite defender, will probably do well on switches as a defender but is really a true SF defensively, struggles a bit with on-ball defense, good but not great NBA athleticism, rarely goes to FT line but shoots well when there, understands strengths and limitations and thus turns ball over rarely, hard worker but hasn't shown clear trends of improvement over time
I'd appreciate anyone who can tell me what's wrong (or right) about these summaries. If Jazz had a chance to trade to pick one or the other (recognizing that Taylor's cost would be a bit higher), who would you target? Why?
(Apologies if this comparison has been hashed out somewhere previously among the 8000 posts.)
I'm having a tough time finding good info/video (esp. on D Miller). Here's what I seem to be able to distill from the reports I've seen:
J Taylor: excellent lateral quickness, may be able to play Sefalosha-type defense, shines at on-ball defense, fair SF size but is more of a quickness guy than a strength guy, could guard SGs as well as SFs and can even perform admirably on switches onto PGs, may struggle against powerful forwards, very improved long-range shot, fair (at best) rebounder, very good athleticism, can take advantage of open drives to hoop but not very creative with dribble, probably will never be a good scorer but may do enough to keep defenses honest, may try (or has been asked) to do too much offensively and thus a bit turnover prone, OK at getting to foul line (but needs to improve FT%), some signs of ability to improve over time, hard worker but may be prone to discouragement
D Miller: very reliable shooter from a variety of ranges, very little creativity off the dribble though can take advantage of clear opportunities, not particularly assertive but good at blending into system, a bit better size (esp. strength) than Taylor, terrible rebounder, good but not elite defender, will probably do well on switches as a defender but is really a true SF defensively, struggles a bit with on-ball defense, good but not great NBA athleticism, rarely goes to FT line but shoots well when there, understands strengths and limitations and thus turns ball over rarely, hard worker but hasn't shown clear trends of improvement over time
I'd appreciate anyone who can tell me what's wrong (or right) about these summaries. If Jazz had a chance to trade to pick one or the other (recognizing that Taylor's cost would be a bit higher), who would you target? Why?
(Apologies if this comparison has been hashed out somewhere previously among the 8000 posts.)
Quincy Miller (one move, but a good one) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_KmYPR116Y&feature=g-vrec
Tony Wroten showing he can hit 2 shots in a row - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IVL29Vulio&feature=related
Tony Wroten showing he can hit 2 shots in a row - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IVL29Vulio&feature=related
Fishsticks
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OMG he is a second round pick.....why are you worrying about anything????
I agree .. and probably why the Jazz seem to have been following his every step for several months now. KOC should get Cy's input (that he's a boring pick) before it's too late.
Do you get the feeling that he plays small? Whenever i watched him I just always thought he was 6'3-ish. That is one of the things that bothers me about him, though it may just be in my head.
I'll speak to Miller and leave Taylor to someone else (even though I've watched him play about 80 games). Miller is a very good shot, yes. As far as him being able to create off the dribble, that's where he's driven UK fans crazy.. because he was the BEST at it on our team, but deferred too much. He sees the gaps and has a BEAUTIFUL jump stop lateral one-handed floater that is money. He has excellent post moves ..
Cy is wrong when he says Miller is not elite at any one thing (that is patently incorrect). Perhaps the exact opposite is true .. again the 'problem' with his game is he doesn't do anything more than is asked of him. He doesn't look to be a primary scorer. He's a teammate. He wants to win and couldn't care less what his personal stats are. I'm not trying to be cute when I say this .. I'm saying it's actually been a problem. Cal has benched Miller several times for not being more assertive .. and each time he did, Miller took that as the coach told him to do it .. and he did. He is unselfish to a literal fault. And much like MKG's shot being supposedly unfixable, I don't know that Darius will ever develop a killer instinct. But he has a high skillset at just about everything that is basketball.
I don't. Not at all.
Here's what I think you're seeing (just a guess). Some small (6'3) guys play on teams that lack bigs and they muscle and hustle down low for rebounds, putbacks, etc. Makes them seem like they play bigger than they are. Then there's Darius. He has played on a team that features truly elite rebounders, shot-blockers, athletes .. and he happens to be a 45% perimeter shooter. UK needed Darius, with his shooting touch to play on the perimeter (like a 2/3) and use his length and athleticism (best athlete at UK) on defense there as well. This can make a guy seem to play smaller than the guy that's gutting it out in the post.
I appreciate your sincere question, btw.
He's a legit 6'8, very strong, very athletic, very good handles, very good shot .. now he needs to make like Nike and just do it.
SG's, yes
SF's, yes
(about any of those)
At UK he often played AND defended all 5 positions .. but in the NBA I'd say the wings are a definite.
Thanks for the honest assessment. You say he's a superior athlete, yet everyone else I can find on the web says he's simply a good athlete. That's why I wish I had some good video on him. If he truly has dribble creativity, I think that may be able to come through over time. I worry about rebounding. I understand that he had great rebounding teammates, but can he rebound? Will he rebound? Does he put an effort into blocking out even if he's not grabbing the board?
He is an elite athlete, trust that for now. He can create off the dribble, trust that for now. He makes the effort on everything except being 'the man.' Also, as someone else said, with MKG, Jones, and Davis, it just didn't make any sense for him to crash the boards as well. UK led the nation in rebounding margin and he wasn't needed for that. When he would play PF or, rarely, center .. he would block out and pull down the boards .. but he played mostly on the perimeter.