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BYU vs ND on Sat

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What, no BYU thread?!?

HUGE game for BYU this weekend. Currently 2-3 vs BCS. I think a win here, with Hill playing well helps you feel really good about your season. Hill improved, the defense was awesome, you get a shot at a really good PAC-12 team in a bowl game, and a shot at 10 wins. Not too shabby.

BUT, a loss, this year was a big disappointment. 2-4 vs BCS teams. Probably will lose the bowl game. Hill played terrible against an amazing Wisconsin team. If he goes out against ND and throws up another sub 40 QBR and BYU loses, I think you have to open up the QB job this spring and see what Olsen has.

Big, big game for BYU this sat.
 
I dunno. Against BCS teams on the road, they are 0-2, with losses to Virginia and Wisconsin. I guess I'm worried if I am a BYU fan, because I really don't think Hill has gotten better. I just think his schedule has gotten easier.

Big weekend for BYU. ND is a solid BCS team. They have wins over ASU, USC, Michigan St. That is very impressive. Their losses were AT Michigan, OK, and AT Pitt. This game is in ND. Their only home loss was to Oklahoma, who is currently 8-2 with a loss to Baylor and another to their rival, Texas. Actually, the more I look at it, the bigger this game becomes for BYU. Big weekend for Hill. This weekend he can prove he has gotten better. If he throws out another sub 40 QBR...then I don't know if he is the man for the job.

Plus ND is coming off a bye. Big game for BYU. ND is completely under-rated in the locals eyes.
 
green said:
I dunno. Against BCS teams on the road, they are 0-2, with losses to Virginia and Wisconsin. I guess I'm worried if I am a BYU fan, because I really don't think Hill has gotten better. I just think his schedule has gotten easier.
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I debunked this pretty thoroughly in another thread, but perhaps you didn't see that so I looked at this again. If you are correct then there should be a positive correlation between his passing rating and the ranking of the opponent.

Code: 
opponent	opp.	Hill 
		rank*	passing
Virginia	97	72.5
Texas		35	68.6
Utah		26	78.8
Middle Tenn.	88	141.4
Utah State	40	155.7
Georgia Tech	27	158.5
Houston		38	161.9
Boise State	33	159.5
Wisconsin	5	100
Idaho State	206	128.7

*using Sagarin rankings

However if you plot the data, you find it's a complete scatter.

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Therefore I must conclude there is absolutely no correlation between Hill's passer rating and the quality of the opponent.

If you can interpret this data differently, please let me know how. Because I just don't see why you keep saying that.
 
colton said:
I debunked this pretty thoroughly in another thread, but perhaps you didn't see that so I looked at this again. If you are correct then there should be a positive correlation between his passing rating and the ranking of the opponent.

Code: 
opponent	opp.	Hill 
		rank*	passing
Virginia	97	72.5
Texas		35	68.6
Utah		26	78.8
Middle Tenn.	88	141.4
Utah State	40	155.7
Georgia Tech	27	158.5
Houston		38	161.9
Boise State	33	159.5
Wisconsin	5	100
Idaho State	206	128.7

*using Sagarin rankings

However if you plot the data, you find it's a complete scatter.

hill.gif


Therefore I must conclude there is absolutely no correlation between Hill's passer rating and the quality of the opponent.

If you can interpret this data differently, please let me know how. Because I just don't see why you keep saying that.
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Ya it looks to me from this data that hill just got better after the first few weeks (when he was playing in a couple of monsoons and missing Hoffman/Hoffman coming back from injury and finally getting practice time with hill)

Of course most people wouldn't need data for them to know that hill has improved............. If you just watch the games its quite obvious


Also if green thinks that hill has a harder time against better teams (or on the road like against Wisconsin), then should that not be the case for almost every quarterback?

I would think that Travis Wilson plays better against weber state at home than he does against USC on the road.
amirite?
 
How about the clock management at the end of the half? They don't start calling timeouts until :30?....okay. They've got some major in-game coaching issues that they need to improve on in the offseason.
 
Another really bad coaching effort by Brigham Young's University.

Put another feather in Broncos full of feathers cap.

It doesn't matter whether it's Boston College, UCLA, Wisconsin, Notre Dame, or Florida St, it's all the same.
 
That was a very hard game to watch. Boring.

The Wizards game is on in 5 minutes and sadly I think it might actually provide more excitement.
 
I'm so tired of the mediocrity. Beating up on Idaho State and losing to Wisconsin and Notre Dame is really not much fun.
 
Simple questions... Colton, you work at the school and maybe know something I don't.

What happened to the creativity? The imagination? The passion?

Every time I've seen BYU play a half decent team for the past few years, I've seen a completely uninspired, boring, predictable, passionless, and pathetic defensive and offensive (more offensive) game plans.

Why? Isn't BYU supposed to look forward to these big game to "expose" themselves? After all, no one gives a damn about beating Idaho. And you aren't playing for WAC or Mtn West championships anymore.

Why do they appear to show as much intensity and excitement as you see at a high priest quorum meeting in the middle of a hot afternoon? Why do they show as much preparation as Fess did when playing for the Jazz? Why are the game plans as predictable and conservative as a peanut butter and jelly sandwich on white bread?

Seriously guys, what has happened to the "west coast offense" that we ran for 2 decades?

Where are the (short) passes to compensate for our lack of elite athletes? Where's the quick passes to keep the chains moving until we can finally get close enough to the endzone to score? Where are the outside runs? The screens? The quick traps? The play action which sets up the big plays? Where are the TEs? The toughness? The "underdog" angry attitude and intensity?

Do Bronco and Robert even want to be there? It seems like they're merely going through the emotions. Recycling game plans from previous games without any creativity or adjustments.
 
Lastly, is this really the exposure BYU wanted when they declared Independence 3 years ago? Do you think ESPN is having second thoughts?

IMO, BYU has completely underachieved since declaring independence. This type of exposure, passionless and inept, can only hurt the program.

The Utes have struggled because they haven't had a QB since Brian Johnson. Byu struggles because their coaches utterly REFUSE to coach.
 
The Thriller said:
Simple questions... Colton, you work at the school and maybe know something I don't.

What happened to the creativity? The imagination? The passion?
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I'm certainly not the expert. I won't complain too much about the defense, though--Bronco's style has done well. Not a lot of creativity or imagination, but he does usually get the defensive players to play with passion. As far as the offense goes, well Anai is better than Doman was but that's about all I can say. I'm hoping that there's a delay going on in the recruiting because of missions and that Anai has recruited a bunch of offensive linemen that we just haven't seen yet.
 
colton said:
I'm certainly not the expert. I won't complain too much about the defense, though--Bronco's style has done well. Not a lot of creativity or imagination, but he does usually get the defensive players to play with passion. As far as the offense goes, well Anai is better than Doman was but that's about all I can say. I'm hoping that there's a delay going on in the recruiting because of missions and that Anai has recruited a bunch of offensive linemen that we just haven't seen yet.
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Saying that Rob Anae is an upgrade over Doman is like saying that Ty Corbin is an upgrade over Vinny Del Negro or Jason Kidd....

I just can't take it anymore. Whether it's against Boston College, Utah, TCU, Florida St, Nevada, Boise St, UCLA, Arizona, Washington, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, or any other team worth anything, it's the exact same storyline.

Anae just flat out doesn't have the creativity or imagination.. Or the work ethic to develop a diversified game plan, motivate his players, and call an "unpredictable" game.

Rob Anae's playcalling broken down:

1st down: run up the middle with Brown/Tonga/Vacapuna/Unga/Williams. Usually a minimal gain.
2nd down: quick pass to attempt to get something going on 2nd down.
3rd down: 20 yard heave to harline/Collie/Hoffman that more often than not results in an incomplete pass
4th down: punt/attempt a FG

what happened to the west coast offense that made this program what it was 20 years ago? Where's that quick passing game? Where's that run game which takes the burden off the QB? Where's the play action that sets up the big play? Why aren't the backs or TEs used as the release valve when there's nothing open downfield/when Taysom is blitzed? Where are the screens and draws to take advantage of a defense's over aggressiveness? Where are the trick plays?

Where's the creativity and passion?
 
I'm not sure I understand the logic of drop 8 or drop 7 model of defense. Supposedly the reason you do it is to protect your deficiencies in the secondary. But when you don't put pressure on the QB, you just give those WRs all day to work on your deficient Dbs. Friggin' Deion Sanders would get burned every time if you gave the WR enough time to find a move that works, or an open space to run to, how can you expect Skye Povey to cover anybody for more than a few seconds? Sean Mannion looks like Peyton Manning without pressure, with it -- he crumbles. Same with Mr. INT @ Utah. Dude is horrible when you get a little pressure on him. I hate seeing replays where BYU rushes 3 and they all end up on their backs because they get double teamed and the offense ends up converting a 3rd and 14 or something.
 
A couple of things: BYU and Utah aren't good teams. 3-7 for Utah and 2-4 for BYU against BCS teams...ouch. TCU is 2-7. This is why non-BCS teams should not be eligible for BCS bowl games or the playoffs. You just aren't good enough. The "week in week out" argument is legit, and BYU doesn't even have that problem.

QB is the biggest issue for all three teams:

Hill 67.8
Wilson 66.6 (ha ha)
Boykin 39.3
Schulz 59.4

That is pathetic. Well, we did nothing but prove the mid-major haters right...

I seriously hope SOS is the #1 indicator for the playoffs. Because if you aren't in a BCS conference you did NOT do enough to prove you belong. In 2004, there is no way Utah should have been in over Aburn. Same with 08. Utah probably isn't undefeated in a BCS conference. No way Hawaii is, or No Ill, or Boise either.
 
What happens to BYU now? They lose a TON of NFL talent this year. Do they have NFL talent to replace them?

Is Hill the future? Do they have big bodies to replace Manumaluna? The OL should be better next year. Disappointing year all around. I guess USU should be congratulated on their season. They are one team that faced adversity and triumphed.

But Utah and BYU would do the same thing in the MWC. #midmajorhater.
 
green said:
What happens to BYU now? They lose a TON of NFL talent this year. Do they have NFL talent to replace them?

Is Hill the future? Do they have big bodies to replace Manumaluna? The OL should be better next year. Disappointing year all around. I guess USU should be congratulated on their season. They are one team that faced adversity and triumphed.

But Utah and BYU would do the same thing in the MWC. #midmajorhater.
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They'll be fine. They have like 7 D-lineman coming back from missions, 2 returning starters, and a few studs they didn't use this year because of injures. A couple of those guys probably will move to O-line, and they've got a guy that started at Tackle and did well for TCU that can play next year. They'll be fine there. Their top 3 corners didn't even play this year due to injures and they'll all be back. One safety spot could be iffy. Linebackers are a question mark. I think BYU probably ends up running a 4-3 next year if Bronco is smart.
 
Duck Rodgers said:
They'll be fine. They have like 7 D-lineman coming back from missions, 2 returning starters, and a few studs they didn't use this year because of injures. A couple of those guys probably will move to O-line, and they've got a guy that started at Tackle and did well for TCU that can play next year. They'll be fine there. Their top 3 corners didn't even play this year due to injures and they'll all be back. One safety spot could be iffy. Linebackers are a question mark. I think BYU probably ends up running a 4-3 next year if Bronco is smart.
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That's good for BYU. The good thing about a 3-4 is BYU usually has very, very good LB'ers and you can hide your secondary to a certain extent with those LB'ers.
 
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