Early (crazy) +/-
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calijazz
Winner of the 2011 Jazzfanz mock draft contest
I think these last 3 games he's shown progress.
LunaticWolf
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Why was this merged? The stats in the first post are from NBA .com and have nothing to do with 82games.
Jazz4ever
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No, they were taken from 82 games. NBA does not give on/off on a per 48 basis.
LunaticWolf
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82 games reports Miles being a +8, not +22.
Not quite. Look again.
Jazz4ever
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Updated 11/18, last weeks rating in ( )
1. Miles +22.5 (+22.5), no change Miles keeps his astronomical rating from low minutes and his alternate Bell sucking it up
2. Millsap +7.5 (+14.8), Millsap's heavy minutes leveling out his still impressive rating here
3. Williams 0.0 (+14.2), Williams has dropped to dead even from a combination of extremely heavy minutes and much better backup PG play
4. Fez +18.1 (+13.1), limited minutes, needs more obviously
5. Elson +11.5 (+7.6), limited minutes, good size and solid jumper helps at center
6. Price +0.4 (+4.0), solid defensive player in his backup PG and SG roles
7. Kirilenko -0.6 (-4.1), AK has been a mixed bag this year but as expected he is trending up here
8. Bell -13.7 (-10.8), Not good at all, but his last game vs Nets did show glimpses of the old Raja
9. Watson +3.2 (-12.5), limited minutes, but biggest gainer. Still not clear who the better backup is, him or Price
10. Jefferson -21 (-15.3), It is perceived AJ has been playing better as of late but he won't get any help here
11. Hayward -23.6 (-33.8), limited minutes, maybe Hayward's dunk will give him some freakin confidence
1. Miles +22.5 (+22.5), no change Miles keeps his astronomical rating from low minutes and his alternate Bell sucking it up
2. Millsap +7.5 (+14.8), Millsap's heavy minutes leveling out his still impressive rating here
3. Williams 0.0 (+14.2), Williams has dropped to dead even from a combination of extremely heavy minutes and much better backup PG play
4. Fez +18.1 (+13.1), limited minutes, needs more obviously
5. Elson +11.5 (+7.6), limited minutes, good size and solid jumper helps at center
6. Price +0.4 (+4.0), solid defensive player in his backup PG and SG roles
7. Kirilenko -0.6 (-4.1), AK has been a mixed bag this year but as expected he is trending up here
8. Bell -13.7 (-10.8), Not good at all, but his last game vs Nets did show glimpses of the old Raja
9. Watson +3.2 (-12.5), limited minutes, but biggest gainer. Still not clear who the better backup is, him or Price
10. Jefferson -21 (-15.3), It is perceived AJ has been playing better as of late but he won't get any help here
11. Hayward -23.6 (-33.8), limited minutes, maybe Hayward's dunk will give him some freakin confidence
LunaticWolf
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God, you are just using On-Off court. Use the simple rating, combines Production and On-Off. On-Off by itself is absolutely meaningless.
LunaticWolf
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Ok, if you just use On-Off, which is meaningless by itself.
Jazz4ever
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Hardly meaningless, and accurate more times than not. By isolating it from production you can really identify defensive liabilities or chemistry problems. Clearly Jefferson is a problem - we are getting blown out by an average of 21 points/48 minutes with him on the floor vs one of our centers. There is no way to sugar coat that, but I welcome you to try.
Now if you want to get more technical you can use adjusted +/- which accounts for quality of players they face, but the trend is usually the same as we see Jefferson at a gruesome -30!! This is the system Houston GM Daryl Morey uses to evaluate players.
https://basketballvalue.com/teamplayers.php?year=2010-2011&team=UTA
This is inaccurate.
I think it's pretty well established that Morey uses a variety of systems to evaluate players, many of which are proprietary and not publicly available.