Following potential 2014 draftees

[BTP]

Deron Williams fits into the category of a couple all-star/allnba appearances. Same with Russell Westbrook, Love, and Blake. They are not superstars. Your data proves my point further. Lebron, Paul, wade, Garnett, these are superstars.

Right now Deron Williams fits the category of T-Mac. Would have could have injury bug. But I honestly disagree with your assessment. Love has a monster offensive output(2nd both in points and rebounds) and if Melo is a superstar then Love is just as much(when healthy).
Wade IMO is no superstar. He's good but overhyped. His body is completely washed since some time. He had a lucky punch assisted by refs in 2006. But after that his teams didn't do much and he spent a lot of time injured until LeBron came to town. So your definition doesn't fit the player you sort into it. Same with Garnett. W/o big three he didn't do much his last years in Minny. But the way you present yourself I don't see you being open for arguments.

 

[LunaticWolf]

Right now Deron Williams fits the category of T-Mac. Would have could have injury bug. But I honestly disagree with your assessment. Love has a monster offensive output(2nd both in points and rebounds) and if Melo is a superstar then Love is just as much(when healthy).
Wade IMO is no superstar. He's good but overhyped. His body is completely washed since some time. He had a lucky punch assisted by refs in 2006. But after that his teams didn't do much and he spent a lot of time injured until LeBron came to town. So your definition doesn't fit the player you sort into it. Same with Garnett. W/o big three he didn't do much his last years in Minny. But the way you present yourself I don't see you being open for arguments.

Garnett has 1 MVP, 15 all-star. 9 allnba. If that isn't a superstar, what is?

Did you see the post where I laid out my categories? The average draft: 1 bust, 1 repeating all NBA (star), 2-3 guys make a few all-star/allnba, 6-10 solid staters/sixth man (Marvin), 10-15 roleplayers, 20 people gone in 3 years, 15 DNP.

 

[DJB]

Liking the discussion going on here, haven't been replying or anything but it's definitely interesting seeing other guys points of views on other players.

Figured you guys would appreciate this, made it a day ago. Sub if you like!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wu0BJ4xP3os

 

[BTP]

Garnett has 1 MVP, 15 all-star. 9 allnba. If that isn't a superstar, what is?

Did you see the post where I laid out my categories? The average draft: 1 bust, 1 repeating all NBA (star), 2-3 guys make a few all-star/allnba, 6-10 solid staters/sixth man (Marvin), 10-15 roleplayers, 20 people gone in 3 years, 15 DNP.

I'm just saying that I stopped being impressed by Garnett when he started to age. I think w/o Pierce and Allen he'd have died in Minnesota w/o making the Playoffs again. But it's of course easy to deflect the criticism I directed at you and instead counter
Dirk for example lifts his team single handedly into the playoffs in a more competitive era. Thing is Garnett would help you get stops, but he wouldn't be such a mismatch offensively that everyone around him would shoot 3% better than they'd usually do. So he needed guys to take care of the offense so his defense would be a real asset.

 

[fishonjazz]

FWIW I think garnett and dirk were both superstars

 

[BTP]

FWIW I think garnett and dirk were both superstars

Yes I think so too, but he's excluding a lot of guys I think are right up there like Blake Griffin and Russell Westbrook they'll continue their high level to cement that. Instead he says Dwyane Wade is a superstar whose knee allows him to play once a week. Not even Pop could manage his minutes for him to play consistently.
His definition of superstar seems to be like "being a top5 player in the league at least 1 year". With today's depth in top talent I totally think that's wrong. That's 90s mentality when the league had no idea what they were doing with their CBA and let the players dictate them everything.

 

[Fabtrey]

I'm just saying that I stopped being impressed by Garnett when he started to age. I think w/o Pierce and Allen he'd have died in Minnesota w/o making the Playoffs again. But it's of course easy to deflect the criticism I directed at you and instead counter
Dirk for example lifts his team single handedly into the playoffs in a more competitive era. Thing is Garnett would help you get stops, but he wouldn't be such a mismatch offensively that everyone around him would shoot 3% better than they'd usually do. So he needed guys to take care of the offense so his defense would be a real asset.

honestly it all depends on the team. if the team has the capable scorer than no doubt you take KG. the discrepancy between KG & dirk's defense is much greater han their O. kg's defense was just nasty. KG still gave you 22-24pts, but he would give you top 3 defense. KG was long as hell with the speed and stamina to play every damn minutes. and dat intensity yo.

but if the team is offensively challenged, then i can dirk being preferred.

 

[Fabtrey]

anyway we need to look very hard at nick staukas in the 2nd round. dude has a long range, improved his handle, and drastically improved his court vision. he could come in and immediately be our 3pt specialist.

 

[BTP]

honestly it all depends on the team. if the team has the capable scorer than no doubt you take KG. the discrepancy between KG & dirk's defense is much greater han their O. kg's defense was just nasty. KG still gave you 22-24pts, but he would give you top 3 defense. KG was long as hell with the speed and stamina to play every damn minutes. and dat intensity yo.

but if the team is offensively challenged, then i can dirk being preferred.

Thing is Dirk has taken his team to the playoffs playing 1v5 with a full retirement squad after Cuban cracked the core after the chip. Then if he was healthy last year he'd have taken that team to the playoffs. And that team was featuring grandpa Kaman, OJ Mayo(who may now be JR Smith with a better personality) and some other stuff. He made everyone look so good that teams would want to give the (usually without Dirk)Bi-Annual level guys a Full MLE if they weren't 35 already.
Dirk's career numbers are simply better.
But I agree that KG is a valuable and strong 2 way player. He may be the Big Man version of Paul George of the last 1 and a half decade. He's just not in that LeBron, Duncan, Durant, Dirk and Kobe stratosphere. And I feel like that's where that wolf dude is setting the threshold for superstar.

 

[BTP]

anyway we need to look very hard at nick staukas in the 2nd round. dude has a long range, improved his handle, and drastically improved his court vision. he could come in and immediately be our 3pt specialist.

Suggested him somewhere. Would complement the team super good if you part ways with Hayward and get a new wing whose outside game may be not that strong.

 

[Fabtrey]

Thing is Dirk has taken his team to the playoffs playing 1v5 with a full retirement squad after Cuban cracked the core after the chip. Then if he was healthy last year he'd have taken that team to the playoffs. And that team was featuring grandpa Kaman, OJ Mayo(who may now be JR Smith with a better personality) and some other stuff. He made everyone look so good that teams would want to give the (usually without Dirk)Bi-Annual level guys a Full MLE if they weren't 35 already.
Dirk's career numbers are simply better.
But I agree that KG is a valuable and strong 2 way player. He may be the Big Man version of Paul George of the last 1 and a half decade. He's just not in that LeBron, Duncan, Durant, Dirk and Kobe stratosphere. And I feel like that's where that wolf dude is setting the threshold for superstar.

dirks' offensive career numbers are simply better. but everything else it's KG. if dirk and kg came out in the same draft knowing what they would bring, you take KG every time.

 

[Fabtrey]

Suggested him somewhere. Would complement the team super good if you part ways with Hayward and get a new wing whose outside game may be not that strong.

problem is if michigan continues to struggle, he might just stay one more year.

 

[fishonjazz]

dirks' offensive career numbers are simply better. but everything else it's KG. if dirk and kg came out in the same draft knowing what they would bring, you take KG every time.

Extremely tough choice but I probably take KG..... barely

 

[Fabtrey]

me too. i like dirk, but his defense pisses me off sometimes.

anyway, gordon was another solid game that doesn't show up in the stat sheet. he made a key defensive play at the end and made some key FTs. i like this kid at #8-#9.

 

[Jazz4ever]

anyway we need to look very hard at nick staukas in the 2nd round. dude has a long range, improved his handle, and drastically improved his court vision. he could come in and immediately be our 3pt specialist.

maybe even with the GS pick. This is in adverse weather condtitions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuH5mqHKIUk

38" vertical
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[Fabtrey]

maybe even with the GS pick. This is in adverse weather condtitions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuH5mqHKIUk

38" vertical
[url[/MEDIA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqb99YIBwC8[/url]

i fully expect him to be 43-45% 3pt shooter in nba. could even get better. he has variety of moves and he isn't just a spot up shooter. he has surprisingly quick 1st step and shown he can finish around the rim.

If he was black...

 

[The Midnight]

i fully expect him to be 43-45% 3pt shooter in nba. could even get better. he has variety of moves and he isn't just a spot up shooter. he has surprisingly quick 1st step and shown he can finish around the rim.

If he was black...

cue HeavenHarris....

 

[spycam1]

Whoever killed this thread, I ****ing hate you.

 

[spycam1]

We talking KG vs Dirk? KG all day yo.

 

[BTP]

dirks' offensive career numbers are simply better. but everything else it's KG. if dirk and kg came out in the same draft knowing what they would bring, you take KG every time.

Of course, GMs don't have a clue about foreign players. Except if the SPurs had the #1...

Extremely tough choice but I probably take KG..... barely

me too. i like dirk, but his defense pisses me off sometimes.

anyway, gordon was another solid game that doesn't show up in the stat sheet. he made a key defensive play at the end and made some key FTs. i like this kid at #8-#9.

Don't look at his man on man D. Nearly no PF plays anything close to man on man D that's good. His simply looks lackluster in addition. He's watching the playbook of his opponents and he calls plays. That helps everyone around defend. Plus he's got length which bothers some in the lane. The career differential in offensive and defensive rating simply speaks for Dirk as does every other category. He makes playing on both ends easier for others and doesn't try to kill his teammates like KG. The Spurs FO guys would take Dirk

We talking KG vs Dirk? KG all day yo.

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