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2014 Draft Combine

Core4 said:
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Payne at #23 would be a good selection.
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Me likes, very safe pick.



PointGod_AlecBurks said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fk9h8yI8uuE

if this kid(HS class of 2016) only has a 43" vertical (hes 6'3½") then its hard to believe anyone is going to be near 48"

BUT..who knew Shane Larkin was going to jump 44" last year

it should be interesting to see if any skinny guys put on weight, hopefully Exum is getting close to 195-200lbs
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Any 45+ VJ claim is questionable. Not saying impossible and there are plenty of people with it(even 50+) but it's especially hard for pro basketball players since basketball requires constantly high volume exercises(the game itself kind of a high volume exercise) and they have limiting effects on max VJ. So that's why basketball players seem to have a virtual limit at about 43"-46" on max VJ, which is actually already freakishly impressive btw. But I bet any of those guys can come close to the 50" threshold or even pass it if they get away from routine basketball practices and focus solely on their max VJ with much more rest in their schedules.
 
Often players that are quoted as having huge vertical leaps end up have longer arms or something. They do get really, really high in the air but they aren't actually jumping so high.

For reference Blake Griffin's max vert is 35.5". But in a game he explodes off the floor so quickly he dunks on everyone. He isn't actually getting higher than say Jeremy Evans.
 
Qman said:
Often players that are quoted as having huge vertical leaps end up have longer arms or something. They do get really, really high in the air but they aren't actually jumping so high.

For reference Blake Griffin's max vert is 35.5". But in a game he explodes off the floor so quickly he dunks on everyone. He isn't actually getting higher than say Jeremy Evans.
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That's why combine is good to have always. In the combine they measure the vertical jumps from standing reach to jumping reach so no arms or anything can get in the mix.

I don't know about Evans but Griffin who actually has rather unimpressive wingspan, now might have a higher max VJ than his combine measurement of 35.5". His in-game jumps with the ball are almost making his head up to the rim level. I couldn't find a picture that his head can clearly reach to the rim but it's so close that I believe he can do it without the ball in his hands and without getting disturbed by any defense. So I think his current max VJ might be around rather 38"-39" since he stands at 6'10" in shoes and the rim is 10'.

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But I agree, the main thing that make his dunks ferocious is his insane explosiveness and quickness while jumping.
 
the Dwight Howard Derrick Favors comparisons remind me of this. They have virtually the same measurables, as far as height, length, vertical jump are concerned. But is as clear as day that Favors is no where near Dwight when it comes to in game explosiveness. He's not getting his head up near the rim, hes not even close to as quick a jumper. Combine results are less than ideal when it comes to measuring athletic ability.
 
John Crotty said:
the Dwight Howard Derrick Favors comparisons remind me of this. They have virtually the same measurables, as far as height, length, vertical jump are concerned. But is as clear as day that Favors is no where near Dwight when it comes to in game explosiveness. He's not getting his head up near the rim, hes not even close to as quick a jumper. Combine results are less than ideal when it comes to measuring athletic ability.
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Every sport is like that. You can measure how fast, how high, etc., but you have to watch film to ultimately see if the guy is a player or just a workout wonder. Measurements only tell part of the story. And that's why you still have a lot of 2nd rounders that go on to become great players (Boozer, Millsap, etc). They were passed over because they didn't have the ideal height or speed to play a certain position - or didn't shoot well at first, but they maximized their strengths and minimized their weaknesses through sheer effort.
 
orangello said:
Didn't you hear? I'm part of the Wiggins centipede. I don't play it safe.

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Safe drafting only applies for #23. When you have a chance with someone as sexy as Wiggins, you don't stop to put on the combine. You act immediately and deal with any consequences later.
 
orangello said:
I don't want safe with any pick.

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I thought you would say "this".

But we can go with Porzingis, if you like. Darft him, stash him and wait for him to fill his body without losing his good traits. Or we can go with, a player like LaVine. If you want to go crazy then I suggest to look a second rounder Euro like Bogdanovic and Micic. Pretty unsafe at 23 but definitely steals at 35.

There are lots of safe picks around 23 though. A lot of close players, it's a bit hard to go unsafe.
 
Enes CanTear You Apart said:
I thought you would say "this".

But we can go with Porzingis, if you like. Darft him, stash him and wait for him to fill his body without losing his good traits. Or we can go with, a player like LaVine. If you want to go crazy then I suggest to look a second rounder Euro like Bogdanovic and Micic. Pretty unsafe at 23 but definitely steals at 35.

There are lots of safe picks around 23 though. A lot of close players, it's a bit hard to go unsafe.
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Porzingis or LaVine are at the top of my list at 23. There really is only one other player that I like there but he will most likely be gone and that is KJ.

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Core4 said:
Every sport is like that. You can measure how fast, how high, etc., but you have to watch film to ultimately see if the guy is a player or just a workout wonder. Measurements only tell part of the story. And that's why you still have a lot of 2nd rounders that go on to become great players (Boozer, Millsap, etc). They were passed over because they didn't have the ideal height or speed to play a certain position - or didn't shoot well at first, but they maximized their strengths and minimized their weaknesses through sheer effort.
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Yet, plenty of workout warriors get drafted way before they should. The NFL especially doesn't seem to get it.
 
I like Jokic at 35. He was an unknown last year and now he showing some real feel with his passing. He is still inexperienced and looks like Kanter as a prospect . He has a good looking shot and can shoot 3pters but he is somewhat streaky. Has a good footwork but gets blocked or puts himself on tough spots occasionally. He is below the rim and he is not a fast runner but he acknowledges his weaknesses. He had good in-game relationship with Mudiay receiving and giving passes.

He can also speak English.
 
Enes CanTear You Apart said:
I thought you would say "this".

But we can go with Porzingis, if you like. Darft him, stash him and wait for him to fill his body without losing his good traits. Or we can go with, a player like LaVine. If you want to go crazy then I suggest to look a second rounder Euro like Bogdanovic and Micic. Pretty unsafe at 23 but definitely steals at 35.

There are lots of safe picks around 23 though. A lot of close players, it's a bit hard to go unsafe.
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Lavine, Bogdan, Inglis, and Porzingis will all be gone by 35. There upsides are too high to last. Micic will be there though, not that I want him.
 
Jazz4ever said:
Lavine, Bogdan, Inglis, and Porzingis will all be gone by 35. There upsides are too high to last. Micic will be there though, not that I want him.
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I suggested LaVine and Porzingis at 23. I'd take Bogdan in a heartbeat at 35 but except DX, many draft sites project him lover, it's surprising to me actually.

Micic, in my opinion, is a no pass at 35, a true steal.
 
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