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You guys make me laugh.

We don't have any star players (yet).

We have NO depth at all.

We have a brand new coach who will implement a brand new system that may or may not suit the young players that we do have.

We have three picks in the upcoming draft AND an aggressive GM who made 3 trades last year to get the players that he wanted.

We have two decent assets out in Europe who may or may not be brought over.

And we have six talented 1st round picks (5 who were lottery picks) who have barely played together and have just struggled with new assignments and suffered through a long, tank season without getting completely down on themselves or the team.

Why does every draft pick mean that we have to ship one of the players we currently have to another team?

We're not getting fair value for getting rid of Favors, Kanter, Hayward, Burks, Burke or Gobert. Maybe next year, but not this offseason. The Jazz are much better off adding a couple of new draft picks, bringing Tomic and Neto over, maybe adding a FA or two, and then letting Snyder and his staff sort out how the pieces we have fit for him this upcoming season before getting really aggressive next offseason.

If they're able to work out a trade to move up in the draft and nab Jabari Parker, then I'm all for that. I'd prefer to see them ship out a boatload of picks and keep our Core5 players, but I'd be happy with the end result regardless of how it goes down. Outside of trading for Parker, I want them to stay at #5 and draft Aaron Gordon, then try to maximize #23 and #35 into another lottery pick. The added depth along with an energized coaching staff should make the Jazz a much better team. If they truly want to land a franchise player, they're going to need rock solid assets to get them. Our assets aren't to that point yet, but they could be if they continue to develop them.

Everything about this offseason SCREAMS developing the young players to me.
 
Ellis269 said:
You guys make me laugh.

We don't have any star players (yet).

We have NO depth at all.

We have a brand new coach who will implement a brand new system that may or may not suit the young players that we do have.

We have three picks in the upcoming draft AND an aggressive GM who made 3 trades last year to get the players that he wanted.

We have two decent assets out in Europe who may or may not be brought over.

And we have six talented 1st round picks (5 who were lottery picks) who have barely played together and have just struggled with new assignments and suffered through a long, tank season without getting completely down on themselves or the team.

Why does every draft pick mean that we have to ship one of the players we currently have to another team?

We're not getting fair value for getting rid of Favors, Kanter, Hayward, Burks, Burke or Gobert. Maybe next year, but not this offseason. The Jazz are much better off adding a couple of new draft picks, bringing Tomic and Neto over, maybe adding a FA or two, and then letting Snyder and his staff sort out how the pieces we have fit for him this upcoming season before getting really aggressive next offseason.

If they're able to work out a trade to move up in the draft and nab Jabari Parker, then I'm all for that. I'd prefer to see them ship out a boatload of picks and keep our Core5 players, but I'd be happy with the end result regardless of how it goes down. Outside of trading for Parker, I want them to stay at #5 and draft Aaron Gordon, then try to maximize #23 and #35 into another lottery pick. The added depth along with an energized coaching staff should make the Jazz a much better team. If they truly want to land a franchise player, they're going to need rock solid assets to get them. Our assets aren't to that point yet, but they could be if they continue to develop them.

Everything about this offseason SCREAMS developing the young players to me.
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You sort of had me until this part. Even #23 and #35 together do not warrant even the last lottery pick (#14) in this year's draft.
 
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You sort of had me until this part. Even #23 and #35 together do not warrant even the last lottery pick (#14) in this year's draft.
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I agree with you completely. The draft is a fluid thing. Guys that are projected high are going to drop and I'd expect the Jazz to look toward using other/future assets if the players that fall are worth the investment. Otherwise, you just try to get up as far as possible and grab the best player you can. I just didn't want to commit to using a future 1st round pick to move up unless they get a quality player (and probably another asset) out of it as well.
 
Agree with Ellis.

Even with Karl and John, two of the biggest stars of their era, the Jazz were never able to add enough quality depth to put them over the top. Give up too much and you're then adding FA's like Elson, Howard, Bell, etc. Is that better than adding to the core we have now? Also agree trade value is currently low coming off underwhelming seasons for most of the Jazz players.

We ostensibly have five starters (or maybe four plus a 6th man) and perhaps an eventual sixth solid rotation player (Gobert). Jazz can add 2 more to that group via the draft and maybe 1-2 FA's, as necessary. Tomic and Neto may/may not be part of the mix. Imagine being 2 deep at every position. That's when you have enough assets to go after the Hardens and Loves. Right now, I agree with Ellis that our assets just aren't rated high enough.

As for the #23 and #35, I don't think it gets Utah to #14. I see the Jazz perhaps being able to move up to the 17-19 range.
 
Core4 said:
I see the Jazz perhaps being able to move up to the 17-19 range.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8uUmI_LJTU

Im cool with trading 23 and 35 for Porzingis.

Kristaps, LaVine, Hood or possibly a reach for James Young are the only players id consider trading both picks for.

Apparently last month Rondey Hood told hoopsrumors.com hes going to be drafted between 6 and 12.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
I think Burke has made enough clutch shots in his career to warrant at least another 2-3 years at the helm. We're definitely selling him short if we don't at least give him a good go.
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Unless you care about winning in the playoffs.........

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PointGod_AlecBurks said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8uUmI_LJTU

Im cool with trading 23 and 35 for Porzingis.

Kristaps, LaVine, Hood or possibly a reach for James Young are the only players id consider trading both picks for.

Apparently last month Rondey Hood told hoopsrumors.com hes going to be drafted between 6 and 12.
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I agree about Kristaps and LaVine but not with Hood.

I just don't see him in the league after his rookie contract.

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orangello said:
I agree about Kristaps and LaVine but not with Hood.

I just don't see him in the league after his rookie contract.

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I could be wrong, wasn't a huge fan of his throughout the process, but I'm a believer that hes worked up some momentum lately, and that his range and shooting stroke are pure from NBA distance. At one point Dx had him in the 20's and there was discussion of him on this board at 23.

It looks like Stauskas will go early, after him Hood's shooting is the most reliable of the fringe lotto players.

I disagree about Hood busting out of the league though, id have to say his worstcase is Rasual Butler.
 
Anyone else think highly of Elfrid Payton? I think he could be a steal at 23, but it looks like his stock is rising and that he'll be gone just before the Jazz pick.
 
zyzz said:
Anyone else think highly of Elfrid Payton? I think he could be a steal at 23, but it looks like his stock is rising and that he'll be gone just before the Jazz pick.
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His jump shot is worse than Smart's, and he is a junior, so never a fan.
 
PointGod_AlecBurks said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8uUmI_LJTU

Im cool with trading 23 and 35 for Porzingis.

Kristaps, LaVine, Hood or possibly a reach for James Young are the only players id consider trading both picks for.

Apparently last month Rondey Hood told hoopsrumors.com hes going to be drafted between 6 and 12.
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Porzingis getting a lot of buzz lately. May not last until 17 now.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
Wow.... can't believe Coach Cal just turned down $80m... if true that's impressive commitment to UK...




Either that or he's trying to get the Lakers to offer more.
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He doesn't need to get the Lakers to offer more for the contract to be worth more. It's effing L.A. All he needs is a similar (even slightly less) contract to make it worth the same value, plus a better situation than Cleveland. If you're going to jump from Kentucky, you sure as Hell don't want to go to Cleveland - no matter how much money they throw at you.

In the immortalized words of Joakim Noah. . . "What's so great about Cleveland?"

The Lakers still have Kobe, and they're dumping most of their roster this offseason. They have more money than they know what to do with. They'll take on a top 8 pick, a free agent or two and then try to build around that. If Calipari heads to LA, I can totally see him convincing them to draft Randle.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
Wow.... can't believe Coach Cal just turned down $80m... if true that's impressive commitment to UK...




Either that or he's trying to get the Lakers to offer more.
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PKM said a month or 2 ago that Cal is waiting til after the 2016 recruiting class to make a move, this news strongly supports that. Cal is personally recruiting at-least 2 of the top 2016 players already, Jayson Tatum and Michael Cage Jr.

Also this means theres absolutely no chance Lebron returns to Cleveland.
 
zyzz said:
Anyone else think highly of Elfrid Payton? I think he could be a steal at 23, but it looks like his stock is rising and that he'll be gone just before the Jazz pick.
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Lead the NCAA in total turnovers (127) and turnovers per game (3.6).

Had a great workout at Sacramento and Chad Ford said he is in play for the #8.

Don't think he falls past Chicago at #16 or #19, won't be available at #23.
 
NCJazz said:
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Porzingis getting a lot of buzz lately. May not last until 17 now.
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I think I could make a strong case for Porzingis in the Lottery, his athleticism and fluidity are no BS, hes very quick off the ground.

There's no doubt in my mind that hes a better prospect than Willie Cauley-Stein. I'd contend once you get past him playing a little weak while being ~210lbs, there's really not all that much to complain about.

his size is legitimate, not official #'s but he appears every bit of 7' in shoes (doesnt look more than 2" shorter than 7'2" teammate Ondrej Balvin), hes the 3rd youngest player in this draft. Kristaps has some SF moves in his arsenal too

https://sportacentrs.com/basketbols/legionari/01062014-porzingis_un_cajasol_parspej_specigo_vale - This move at 1:10 is nice for a 7'er. Cutting down the baseline from the corner, a catch in traffic into a reverse/ fadeaway
 
I like Elfrid Payton, his story is crazy since last summer, he gets snubbed from the Chris Paul Camp. signs up for "Sports Reach" instead, a traveling ministry that uses sports as a platform to share the gospel. (Oladipo and Peyton Siva were on the team the previous summer)

On that trip one of his coaches realizes that Elfrid was young for a sophomore and Eligible for the u19 tournament, and it just so happens that Tyus Jones just dropped out, so one of the coaches was friends with Billy Donovann the U19 coach, who took Elfrid on the team without watching him, just hearing about him from the friend.

He beat out Ryan Arcidiacono, Kris Dunn, Damyeon Dotson, Javan Felix and Rodney Purvis for a spot on the 12 man roster. He then beat out Nigel Williams-Goss, James Robinson, Michael Frazier and Justise Winslow for a spot in Team USA’s starting lineup.

By the time he dropped 9 points 6 rebounds and 5 steals in the final vs Serbia, 'NBA exec types' were calling up his coach Bob Marlin asking how this kid got to the University of Louisiana at Lafayette.

Id gladly take him at 23, He has a history of playing up to the competition, his outside shot is by far my biggest concern, but hed be a great change of pace from Burke, Elfrid gets into the lane easily. Hes a Jr but was born in '94 within a month of Joel Embiid
 
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