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Poll: Should the Jazz Match Hayward's $15.75 a year/4 year Contract?

Should They Match?

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you don't overpay a mediocre player and get better.
He should have earned it.
Question is; has he done that?
has he really earned a MAX contract?
this is not a charity, even if this contract would not bother Jazz in terms of re-signing their young guns, still they really don't have to overpay this wayward son!
 
jazzman12 said:
I'm far from a Locke fan boy, but this is spot on:


Whatever goes down, remember this: Lindsay is a better GM than anybody on this board.
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DL took this team over 2 years ago, just after the Jazz's most recent playoff appearance. It looks like he may end up paying two average starters just under $28mm per season over the next 4, potentially destroying the flexibility needed to improve this team enough to have a realistic shot at the playoffs over the next few seasons.

Turning a playoff team into a mid-lottery team in 5 years...Brilliant.

Also, the "what else would they do with that money" argument is incredibly myopic. Signing Hayward to that deal locks the Jazz into mediocrity for the foreseeable future. A year ago, that's what everyone on this board was sick of. What's changed?
 
GVC said:
1. WHy would Hayward accept that? It's unlikely he's worth less than $5mm on a one year deal 4 years from now.

2. Per a previous post of yours, the Jazz will have no trouble re-signing Burks and/or Kanter. They'll have plenty of space under the LT, and both players will be restricted (Larry Bird) free agents.

3. The Jazz can still try to sign Hayward to a contract OR work on a sign-and-trade. He'll likely sign that offer sheet at midnight though. DL needs to get busy.
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1. Because 5M more is 5M more and more importantly, maybe his heart is in Utah and he'd like to stay, even at less money per.

2. Perhaps I should've expanded. If we match Hayward and then re-sign Burks too at 15M per and Kanter at 11M per, that's a lot of dough tied up in (above?) average players. Then, Gobert comes up, then Favors comes up again, and Burke, and Exum, and so forth.

3. SIGN AND TRADE!!!!!!!

4. What small forward options are out there if we don't match him?
 
QuinSnydersHair said:
Oh Jesus, give me a break. Locke's such a freakin' hack. Yeah, he's such a special talent that he shot, what, 40%, 30% last year? He's such a special talent that he couldn't hit the ****ing ocean on any big three point shot where there wasn't a defender within five feet of him. He's such a special talent that he has as much leadership and cajones in him as the banana I just ate for breakfast. Locke can eat a big, fat dick and take off on the horse that Gordo rides out on.
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It's intelligent, articulate posts like this that just reinforce my belief that we should retain Hayward.
 
IF the Jazz want to match, they should have a sit-down with him and ask him if he really wants to return. They shouldn't just do it because they want him back. G-Time strikes me as a player whose heart has to be in it if the team expects him to perform.

Does it make sense to talk to the Hornets about a sign-and-trade? So the Jazz match the offer and get some value from the Hornets, instead of losing him for nothing. If so, THAT's the play I think the Jazz should make. To answer the question of the post. I voted NO because I don't think he's worth that much money. If the Jazz are hell bent on spending that type of cash, go get Parsons after getting value from Charlotte. Even if the Jazz don't get Hayward back, I think they can replace all of his production pretty easily with the roster they have.
 
QuinSnydersHair said:
Oh Jesus, give me a break. Locke's such a freakin' hack. Yeah, he's such a special talent that he shot, what, 40%, 30% last year? He's such a special talent that he couldn't hit the ****ing ocean on any big three point shot where there wasn't a defender within five feet of him. He's such a special talent that he has as much leadership and cajones in him as the banana I just ate for breakfast. Locke can eat a big, fat dick and take off on the horse that Gordo rides out on.
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LOL.. you might wanna consider editing some of this if you don't want your return to be short lived.
 
I thought "Jazz didn't draft Paul George, at least they aren't having to pay him Paul George money." Now this. Take on the Chicago Bulls bad contracts, Jeremy Lins bad contract from Houston. I don't care if they only give very little back in return there are lots of teams with plenty of dead cap space and you have to pay someone.
 
Here are some fun 14/15 non-rookie salary combos (figures from shamsports.com, or from reported new deals):

UTA: Hayward + Favors = $27.8mm

ATL: Horford + Millsap + Teague = $29.5mm
CHI: Noah + Gibson = $20.2mm; Rose + Noah = $31.1mm
BOS: Rondo + Green = $22.1mm
DAL: Dirk + Monta + Calderon = $25.5mm
DEN: Lawson + Chandler + Gallinari = $29.2mm
GSW: Curry + Iggy = $22.9mm
LAC: Paul + Jordan = $31.5mm
MEM: Gasol + Conley = $25.1mm
MIN: Love + Pek = $27.8mm
NOP: Jrue + Ryno = $18.9mm; Jrue + Ryno + Tyreke = $30.2mm
OKC: Westbrook + Ibaka = $28.1mm
POR: LMA + Batum = $27.8mm; LMA + Matthews + Lopez = $29.4mm
SAS: Parker + Duncan + Manu = $29.9mm
TOR: Lowry + DeRozan + Amir = $28.5mm
 
Defining moment for DL - this decision can either make or break the franchise for the next 5 years.

I don't think he matches. You can't hold firm at 12/per in pre-season negotiations and then turn around and award Gordon another 10+ mil (over the life of the contract) after the so-so season he had where they basically turned over the keys to the entire team to him.

The only viable options are S&T or letting him go for nothing.
 
GVC said:
Here are some fun 14/15 non-rookie salary combos (figures from shamsports.com, or from reported new deals):

UTA: Hayward + Favors = $27.8mm

ATL: Horford + Millsap + Teague = $29.5mm
CHI: Noah + Gibson = $20.2mm; Rose + Noah = $31.1mm
BOS: Rondo + Green = $22.1mm
DAL: Dirk + Monta + Calderon = $25.5mm
DEN: Lawson + Chandler + Gallinari = $29.2mm
GSW: Curry + Iggy = $22.9mm
LAC: Paul + Jordan = $31.5mm
MEM: Gasol + Conley = $25.1mm
MIN: Love + Pek = $27.8mm
NOP: Jrue + Ryno = $18.9mm; Jrue + Ryno + Tyreke = $30.2mm
OKC: Westbrook + Ibaka = $28.1mm
POR: LMA + Batum = $27.8mm; LMA + Matthews + Lopez = $29.4mm
SAS: Parker + Duncan + Manu = $29.9mm
TOR: Lowry + DeRozan + Amir = $28.5mm
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unrelated. Gigantic market this summer with all the capspace teams interested to improve and new direction the cap is going. You get what the market dictates. If there's only few cap teams on a lot of free agents, that makes it different. This year it's a good amount of free agents and a ton of teams with cap space. Most of these teams will cap out.
Changes next summer's landscape.
 
BTP said:
unrelated. Gigantic market this summer with all the capspace teams interested to improve and new direction the cap is going. You get what the market dictates. If there's only few cap teams on a lot of free agents, that makes it different. This year it's a good amount of free agents and a ton of teams with cap space. Most of these teams will cap out.
Changes next summer's landscape.
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So it's a seller's market right? That's why you don't 'buy'.
 
I voted no but I am torn. I think Hayward is going to be invaluable to this team. He is a guy that you want on your team. His contract is just high enough to make me say no though.

Hopefully he proves us all wrong and just shines next to Exum.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
So it's a seller's market right? That's why you don't 'buy'.
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Yep. Atlanta will fill out their cap.
Charlotte is in the process.
Cleveland may or may not. Miami is a ?
Houston is capped out either way.
So is Chicago.
Worst case Suns make a huge offer for Greg Monroe.
Luol Deng is going to get double digit millions somewhere.
Lakers must either set themselves up for another tank(unlikely, and it would have to be a way bigger tank than last year. Philadelphia size tank to meet top5 protection on draft pick) or they spend all their money to pseudo compete for the 10th seed.
New York having cap space depends on Melo's decision. If Melo leaves they might rebuild via draft.
Memphis is capped
Washington + Toronto will have little flexibility because they have to take care of their own guys.
Portland is capped, Sacto may have some room depending on Gay situation.
Orlando may start shopping next summer.
Philly will shop for assets and bad contracts.
OKC has no options
Minny has some room when Love leaves, but they have to take care of Rubio and none wants to move to Minny, so they'll prolly overpay the least attractive FA.
Milwaukee rebuilds, may decide to rent cap space.
Clippers, Warriors, Pacers all have no flexbility.
Detroit has flexibility
Denver none
Mavs have their new age perennial flexibility as well
The NEts are capped until 2199
Boston is rebuilding in a weird way, so they may look at free agency

See there's not a lot of potential suitors after this summer's madness, where the deep 2010 restricteds are retained. 2011 doesn't feature such a deep restricted class and there's plenty of valuable mid tier agents. That doesn't create such a market like this summer.
 
Part of me wants to see Hayward under a new coach. I believe a good coach, possibly Quin, can get more out of him. Even with that, it's too steep of a price.

I do like Hayward as a complementary piece. He's the kind of player you need WITH a star. Without, and for this price, I just don't see how you can justify it.
 
Revolution 9 said:
Part of me wants to see Hayward under a new coach. I believe a good coach, possibly Quin, can get more out of him. Even with that, it's too steep of a price.

I do like Hayward as a complementary piece. He's the kind of player you need WITH a star. Without, and for this price, I just don't see how you can justify it.
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But is a new coach ever gonna get him to play better/tougher defense? He isn't tough enough at the 3, and he isn't quick enough to chase down smaller 2's.



Offensively, even if he starts making those 3's, he's still not going to become a consistent 20+ scorer in this league. He's definitely not someone u throw the ball to with 10 seconds left and let him go to work neither.



So my question is - can we justify paying someone MAX who isn't going to score you 20+ points on a nightly basis, NOR is he a 2-way player who gives you a defensive presence at the other end as well?



He is a jack of all trades - a master of none.
 
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