The history white people need to learn

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I flat out reject that white pride has to be about racism.

I agree that it does not "have to be" about racism. However, do you know any groups that, in practice, proclaim white pride and are not racist?

Rightly or wrongly, stigma does not derive from saying A has to mean some undesirable B, but from the simple existence of B whenever A is present.

 

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You're a day late and a dollar short. That debate sailed.

Believe it or not, I would prefer to be able to make these statements without engaging in long debates. I simply prefer the debates to letting many responses stand unanswered.

 

[Stoked]

Believe it or not, I would prefer to be able to make these statements without engaging in long debates. I simply prefer the debates to letting many responses stand unanswered.

Nothing was unanswered here. You just have to say your piece but I can respect that.

But I am still laughing that Jimmy ended up saying at the end what I was at the beginning as far as the social stigma attached to it.

Also you have yet to say anything that contradicts anything I have said.

 

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Also you have yet to say anything that contradicts anything I have said.

Then, you agree that, in practice, white pride is associated with racism?

 

[Stoked]

Then, you agree that, in practice, white pride is associated with racism?

I encourage you to go back and reread all my posts.

 

[fishonjazz]

Put out two identical resumes, except for the name, on a job site. Give one of the the fist name of DeMare, or any similar name culturally associated with black people, and another a name associated with white people, say Bradley. Make sure to check the EEOC boxes appropriately. Get back to me on the difference in the response level, and then tell me there is no such thing as white privilege.

Black guy probably gets the job so the company can claim they are diverse, equal opportunity employers.

Then the company probably receives some kind of tax break our something after hiring the minority

 

[moevillini]

Maybe I've been living under a rock for the past decade or so, but do real people (in the U.S.) really talk about "white pride" and a need to "celebrate" it? Or is it more just a term used by those on either side of the issue (whatever that is!) when they want to polarize a situation or issue?

My guess is that there are probably some extreme viewpoints that express a desire to celebrate "white pride" but I think for mainstream Americans across the political and/or ideological spectrum that it is a phrase that simply has no meaning whatsoever.

Therefore it seems kind of pointless to argue about it.

 

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I encourage you to go back and reread all my posts.

You refer to "a few idiots", "some groups", and "white racist groups" as defaming the notion of white pride, oh-so-carefully separating yourself from these people. I'm asking if there are non-idiots, other groups, and/or not-white-racist groups that support it. Do you know of any?

 

[Stoked]

You refer to "a few idiots", "some groups", and "white racist groups" as defaming the notion of white pride, oh-so-carefully separating yourself from these people. I'm asking if there are non-idiots, other groups, and/or not-white-racist groups that support it. Do you know of any?

Smh, give it up man. All this has been covered. Why people don't has been covered. Damn Gina....

 

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Black guy probably gets the job so the company can claim they are diverse, equal opportunity employers.

Then the company probably receives some kind of tax break our something after hiring the minority

If you think so, then actually try it, and prove me wrong. If you prefer, read the results from other people who have tried it.

Or, just wallow in the ignorance of "probably". Your choice.

 

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Maybe I've been living under a rock for the past decade or so, but do real people (in the U.S.) really talk about "white pride" and a need to "celebrate" it?

Yes.

 

[moevillini]

And of course, the more pointless it is, the longer the argument continues.


And that ought to be a law, or theorem or at least a corollary! You can even name it after me.

 

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Smh, give it up man. All this has been covered.

I'll take that as a refusal to answer "no".

 

[Stoked]

And of course, the more pointless it is, the longer the argument continues.


And that ought to be a law, or theorem or at least a corollary! You can even name it after me.

The Moevillini Theorem.

Has a nice ring to it.

 

[Stoked]

I'll take that as a refusal to answer "no".

You should take it as you not fully reading my posts. If you did you'd already have your answer since you are rehashing MY original point.

 

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You should take it as you not fully reading my posts. If you did you'd already have your answer since you are rehashing MY original point.

Your complaint is that I did not read your posts, but AFAICT I read them more carefully than you would have liked. I agreed with your point on a theoretical level, and noted that there was no practical application thereof. There is a difference between "a few idiots" and "everyone who says B", a difference between "a few groups" and "every group that says B". You have discussed these formers, and not acknowledged the latters. I'm OK with that, frankly, and don't see a need to badger you on it further, if you will do me the courtesy of refraining from claiming I did not read your posts. If I misunderstood what you meant, please clarify it, or don't if you prefer. Saying I didn't read it is counter-factual and rude.

 

[Stoked]

Then I simply fail to understand how you can take my argument of why people don't proclaim white pride due to the social stigma as not acknowleging that non racist groups, I also laid a large part of the blame on white racist groups, don't proclaim white pride.

 

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Then I simply fail to understand how you can take my argument of why people don't proclaim white pride due to the social stigma as not acknowleging that non racist groups, I also laid a large part of the blame on white racist groups, don't proclaim white pride.

Because there are alternate ways to take it. It could have been a claim that there are a few group out there who do discuss white pride and are not racist (some people would make that claim), or a claim that it would be possible/desirable to form a group with the intent of reclaiming/rescuing the notion of "white pride" and disassociating the concept from racists. I was curious if you supported either of those alternate notions.

 

[Stoked]

Because there are alternate ways to take it. It could have been a claim that there are a few group out there who do discuss white pride and are not racist (some people would make that claim), or a claim that it would be possible/desirable to form a group with the intent of reclaiming/rescuing the notion of "white pride" and disassociating the concept from racists. I was curious if you supported either of those alternate notions.

I am sure that there may be some but I do not know of them. My point was that people do not do so publicly because of the racist stigma attached to "white pride".

But I absolutely support the seconded bolded part. Me being proud of who I am and where I come from (part of that is that I am white) in no way belittles others or makes me think I am in any way superior because I am white. They should be as proud of who they are and where they come from as I am.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

So does anyone know what Stoked means by non-racist "white pride" yet?