he can be the best center in nba.... if he develops
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he can be the best center in nba.... if he develops
Stifle Tower
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The difference being that Rudy goes out and has an actual positive impact on the team. Trey tries to shoot Utah out of games in the first three quarters.
Recipe for tank: play Burke 43 minutes, then sit him for last 5, the only time he tends to do anything of note.
He's actually shown incredible improvement in FT shooting - 49% to 65% from last year to this year. It is entirely possible that with some work he might develop a reliable 12-15 foot jumper. The question is can he be stable enough in in-game situations to take those shots and not be off-balance.
framer
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He is already arguably the best rim protector in the NBA, not just elite, but el numbero uno. That is frankly amazing in only his second year. You have to start that (eventually) and shuffle all future plans around featuring that. For all of the hype (some of it deserved) around the Greek Freak, he doesn't change the game every time he checks in. Gobert does. Once he gets regular minutes he is going to be a finalist for DPOY every season. If and when Kanter improves enough to prove he is a great starter, it will be Favors he supplants, not Gobert. If Gobert develops a 10-15 foot jumpshot he will be a 20 million a year player with his current development path in other areas, and the kind of player that absolutely wins championships.
We don't hype Gobert NEARLY enough. You want your three stars to compete? you got Hayward, Gobert, and Exum. Everybody else is frosting. Fortunately, Gobert and Exum are really young and raw so we may be able to add another great piece in the draft this year, but our bottom feeding days will be over after this year. And we will have a good 7 to 8 years open on our window if we keep those three.
Stifle Tower
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I think it's too early for Exum to start. He just hasn't shown enough. What I wish we could see is the other four you named with a quality NBA starter.
Also would like the Jazz to get a stretch-4 and a starting-caliber SG. I know the answer is Wesley Matthews, but I think it's HIGHLY unlikely he leaves Portland; they'll let him know he can shop around, bring back the best offer and they'll match. So let me go with Carroll. And also assume the Jazz are picking in the 6-8 range. Of course it's a no-brainer to put Towns or Okafor in with the bigs. But getting either is VERY unlikely.
Gobert-Kanter (or WCS?)
Favors-Booker-Draft Pick (McCullough?) or FA
Carroll-(Hayward)-Ingles
Hayward-Burks-Hood
PG (trade)-Exum-Neto
At the wings, Hayward, Carroll and Burks all get around 30 mins. Carroll starts (have to promise that in order to get him to leave Atlanta). He plays 6 mins and subs out first. At that point, Hayward slides to SF with Burks entering the game. Hood works in as time permits (e.g foul trouble or injuries). Sorry Jingles, you're an inspiration to us all, but just not good enough to get time on a deep Utah team.
Gobert and Kanter split time at the 5. Favors gets 30 mins at PF, Booker 18 and the rookie gets garbage time until 2016 when Booker leaves as a FA. Alternately, maybe the Jazz get Cauley-Stein. Could you imagine Gobert starting and then subbed out for WCS? Damn, that's a scary thought defensively! In that scenario, Jazz do NOT extend the QO to Kanter and look for a another 4 with some range.
At some point, Utah HAS to replace Trey. I say trade him while he still has a couple of years left on his rookie deal. Get a solid veteran PG who can split time with Exum next season, and then become his backup. Depending on the vet, trade might be straight up or the Jazz also get a lottery-protected first for taking on higher salary and giving up a player who is young and still has upside (hey, we can stretch the truth a bit). Only thing trade partners need to be told is Trey's shooting stats in the last 5 minutes of games!
Love this - we should have this particular post stickied for everyone to see.
Stifle Tower
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Jazz need to start planning for a max offer to Gobert. Even if he DOESN'T have a reliable jumpshot. he's going to get a huge offer. Maybe Favirs does become the odd man out once his contract expires. Just can't pay everyone and the team could very well be better with Gobert and a stretch-4. I don't think that will be Kanter, but maybe Enes comes off the bench as the backup 4/5 - just depends on the price.
Fishsticks
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So dumb. Kanter over favors. What ****ing world are you idiots from?
Hedda Gambler
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Favors is doing just fine. The only players that have much better numbers than him that actually play a lot of minutes, are Bogut, Jordan, Davis, Duncan and Ibaka. Also, if you look at the BLK to PF ratio, only Drummond has a lover ratio than Favors. We who watch the games know that Favors get some bogus calls when trying to block shots that guys like Bogut (pun intended) do not get. If or when Favors gets some nastiness into his game, establishes his presence and gets a bigger name among the officials, he will rise on this list.
LOL ... this.
That is a big IF. I huge one. I am very high on Gobert and he is making excellent progress. However he still has a long way to go.
In short I have high hopes for him but it is to early, imo, to declare that he is the future of the Jazz.
framer
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He's already going to get more than Favors on his next contract even if he improves at a modest rate, and just focuses on defense, lobs, and putback baskets. He would be one of the Saer Sene, Hassan Whiteside projects that, for once, turned out. If he develops an offensive game, and his vast improvement at the line gives me hope for this, he is easily a star at a position where stars are rare. His floor is Deandre Jordan, and that isn't a bad place to be.
You just seem to be counting your chickens before they hatch is all. Yes he is developing and headed the right direction. But I just don't want to start throwing around terms like franchise player and 20 million $ player yet.
Jamezz
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Thanks, that was exactly the kind of answer I was looking for. I think it's a very interesting approach to the game, I bet one that many coaches follow through like for instance Tom Thibodeau. Notice how the Bulls have always stayed relevant, at least making the playoffs even when Rose was out, gradually dropping Boozer's minutes as he was becoming less efficient defensively. Somehow he makes a good offense out of a good defense, meaning that every point they make becomes more relevant towards the final score. This is when Rudy turns into gold if he develops a fairly consistent 'patent' shot that can give us 10-12 pts a game from him.
If his floor was Deandre Jordan, doesn't that mean he'd have to be as good as Deandre Jordan is right now?
Deandre Jordan is one big mother****er. Not as long as Gobert, but much stronger.
Both suck at offense, so there's that.
framer
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Screw that. I'm not suggesting an SEC monitored financial investment, this is the %$%$%'n NBA. Hype your players, go all the way, that is how this thing works! That is where the fun is! #1 fans don't tamper down excitement, they grow it. I'm not interested in sitting on my hands afraid to be excited because "forbearance. . ." If you are afraid that some negative nancy on this board will later criticize you because Gobert didn't pan out like you said he would, relax. They are going to gripe about something no matter what happens. What you actually say has no bearing on it whatsoever, the stick up their butt is pretty much permanent. Release yourself to the hype, it is worth it!
Here is an honest question. Gobert, as we know him now, is redrafted both in his actual draft and the last one. Where does he go? C'mon, release the Kraken!
Crawlnstall
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Gobert was a fantastic grab at 27 in last years draft. He should continue to see a rise in his minutes throughout they year. Snyder said players get minutes based off of defense, right? If that's true I wouldn't be shocked at all to see Rudy start some games before the season is over. I read a stat that in the Denver game when he was on the bench the nuggets shot 60%, when he was on the floor they shot 37%....pretty impressive.
He also seems to be one of the few guys that plays with a ton of fire. I've noticed him trying to set more screens and calling for lobs. It'd be great if could be our 'mean' player.
Gobert is my second favorite player on the team behind Burks, and I'm a pretty big Burks homer.
He also seems to be one of the few guys that plays with a ton of fire. I've noticed him trying to set more screens and calling for lobs. It'd be great if could be our 'mean' player.
Gobert is my second favorite player on the team behind Burks, and I'm a pretty big Burks homer.
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I think he means his floor as in his worst case scenario for his career. (Which is assuming that he will automatically be better in a few years than he is currently..... Which might not be true, but it's a pretty good bet that he will improve from where he is now)