The Biden Administration and All Things Politics

fishonjazz said:

That is how vaccines work.
The measles had been almost completely eradicated. Everyone was getting vaccinated. Now people don't trust vaccines. People are getting the vaccine as much. Measles making a comeback. Same with HPV virus

As for Trump. I never blamed him. A pandemic is an extremely tough thing to deal with. He was ****ed. Shut things down? Everyone mad at him. Don't shut things down. Everyone mad at him.

You got a few things wrong there too btw. Trump said to inject disinfectant, not drink bleach. The media I saw told me he said to inject disinfectant. Because I literally watched him say it in a press conference lol.

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Sardines said:

The COVID vaccines may not have been as effective as initially hoped, but they have been effective. Much better than not getting them and much better than getting COVID.

This is not really debatable.

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BENTLEY said:

You dodged my question by posing stuff not relevant to the tweet, which was an attempt to obfuscate. I didn’t fall for it.


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Douchebag K said:

the key thing you are ignoring is that it is factually incorrect to say this as a broad across the board statement. The result of Covid and the vaccine benefit is wildly different depending on the person's age, health status, possible co-morbidities. weight status. These factors overwhelmingly affect the likelihood of the outcome of having Covid. In addition the protection gained from someone's immune system from having had a Covid infection was widely discounted. It is not a binary issue across the board. This is also not debatable.

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str8line said:

BENTLEY you can't really be this dumb so you are obviously trolling.

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str8line said:

BENTLEY you can't really be this dumb so you are obviously trolling.

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BENTLEY said:

Can you provide a link? I saw it too (as we’ve covered, I pay a lot of attention to politics). Been a long time but if you can find a link I’d love to see it. Probably good for us both to see it. I’ll see what I can find.

I will acknowledge that Trump is all kinds of inarticulate. Very clumsy, yes, but not nearly nefarious like the media paints him. The media is all kinds of dishonest. Hoo boy! We have plenty of evidence of that.


But pardon me while I take my time getting back to you. I’m tryna watch the Jazz game but I’ve been so busy w this thread I’m still in the first quarter. Sheesh. Go Jazz

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Douchebag K said:

you can't just swing to that extreme obviously sarcastic view, it's a petty ridiculous arguement.

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fishonjazz said:

You seriously didn't see trump suggest injecting disinfectant? That is quite insane to me

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TheGoldStandard said:

Yeah, it would not matter who was in office. Blame would go around in our current political environment. PPE was very limited and needed in hospitals. So the government told us not to wear (or just make) make masks. They knew they were lying, but wanted to have PPE available for medical professionals until more could be made.

Trump wanted to shut all borders and Democrats called him a bigot for doing so. It may have helped but we now know it was too late.

I do not like Trump, but Hillary would have similar opposition and complaints. I think the government tried their best. Hopefully they'll be more prepared. Next time a pathogen could much deadlier.

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BENTLEY said:

I want to see the clip again. I remember him being inarticulate, but not nefarious. That’s why I think we need to see the clip again. I watched it at the time. I remember the medias’ disingenuous spin. But Trump often puts things clumsily, so he gives the media fodder for their dishonest spin. Das fo sho

I keep meaning to watch the game but last I checked they’re down 18 points. Which makes this stupid thread more fun (which isn’t saying much).

Ok, I’m starting the 3rd Q now, hoping for a comeback.


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fishonjazz said:

It's true though. If they did nothing then you couldn't say they lied to you. You couldn't say they were oppressive to you.

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fishonjazz said:

This.
100%. Lots of people tried their best to save lives in a very ****** situation. Then got tons of blame and criticism and pushback for doing their best to save lives in a ****** situation.

Next time they should just do nothing and see if they solves everything. I see so many people saying government should just stay out of our lives. Would be so sad to see what would happen if those people were given their wish.
Good luck home schooling your kids and fixing your own roads and building your own parks and living up your own garbages and making your own heat and electricity and water and defending your own country and taking care of your own legal issues etc etc etc.

It's no wonder our government isn't better. If you are a smart, successful, hard working, great leader then why the **** would you ever get into government/politics. Everyone hates you no matter what you do or how hard you try. **** that.

If you read my posts about politics they are almost all critical of one dude. Because that dude is the worst of the worst and a piece of ****. Has been for decades. Been a crook pretty much all his life.

I try to give most politicians a break though. Same with cops. Same with teachers. Their jobs suck *** and they get hella hate.

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Douchebag K said:

i really don't know what you're trying to say. Do you mean like in Sweden where they very clearly said take your own precautions and we aren't going to intervene ?? Which btw has proved to be a far more successful outcome than crazy lockdowns etc

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str8line said:

Spin? It's tough to hear and see things when you're gargling Trump balls and have his **** on your forehead.

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fishonjazz said:

Ya exactly. Just tell us all to do whatever we want and whatever we think is best in regards to the virus. Even though we know nothing about it.

Maybe that would have been better for COVID. IDK. Maybe if another pandemic hits that's what should be done.

I personally think that experts should do what they can to slow or stop the spread and find treatments that may work. I think experts should study the virus and pass on recommendations on what we should be doing even if those recommendations are unpopular like vaccines, masks, social distancing, shutdowns etc.

That's what I think but I could be wrong. Maybe it's best to just let the average joes figure things out for themselves and do whatever they want.

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fishonjazz said:

Here as a few for ya. Also covers him talking about getting a UV light inside the body.

He is basically just throwing stupid stuff out there. Nothing nefarious though. I don't think he wanted to hurt anyone or anything. He was doing his best (which isn't very good since he is an idiotic who is also a narcissist who thinks he knows more about everything than everyone) like everyone else with a very tough situation.


View: https://youtu.be/d57zJr82dhQ?si=4ZeVHK-Q81UMIaK7



View: https://youtu.be/33QdTOyXz3w?si=D24CXqstEtQ05YuB


I do like that he kept saying that they should ask medical professionals and stuff though.

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BENTLEY said:

This guy’s a winner. I didn’t think anyone could top “bag of dicks” but we’re in the presence greatness here, folks. A sports forum with this level of damning rebuttal? I’m in awe.


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BENTLEY said:

Thanks man. Yeah, he’s obviously not authoritative here - evidenced by his continual deferring to Dr. Birx, checking with her on all this stuff he acknowledges he’s not an expert on. Not nefarious. Deferential even. So why did the media try to spin it like this (see pic):

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See what the media does? They’re dishonest.

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fishonjazz said:

Ya exactly. Just tell us all to do whatever we want and whatever we think is best in regards to the virus. Even though we know nothing about it.

Maybe that would have been better for COVID. IDK. Maybe if another pandemic hits that's what should be done.

I personally think that experts should do what they can to slow or stop the spread and find treatments that may work. I think experts should study the virus and pass on recommendations on what we should be doing even if those recommendations are unpopular like vaccines, masks, social distancing, shutdowns etc.

That's what I think but I could be wrong. Maybe it's best to just let the average joes figure things out for themselves and do whatever they want.

The medical professionals and experts and decision makers certainly didn't get much thanks so if I were them next time I might just shut on my hands or keep any info or advice to myself.

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Douchebag K said:

so the problem was that there were very clear protocols in place for most developed countries with regard to action plans for pandemics. Which were very quickly abandoned not based on data or facts but on whims. Fauci firstly stated that masks weren't any benefit unless you were currently infected which was the accepted standard, then somehow it became double or triple mask based on .. ?? a feeling he had ? Certainly not data. The experts definitely should do what they can to help, but based on clearly proven strategies not panic and theories and attempting to cover up their own dubious self interest.

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