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My2Cents said:
Don't know if this is old news or new news. Tony almost never comments on potential trades tho.

The latest comes from Jazz beat writer Tony Jones of The Athletic, who was asked if Jordan Clarkson would be open to the idea of being traded to the New York Knicks when he joined ESPN 700’s The Drive with Spence Checketts. “I can tell you just from my conversations with people around the situation, I think that Jordan [Clarkson] would welcome a trade [to the Knicks] if that’s how it would go down. There’s another team out west he would welcome a trade to. I’m not going to say the name of that team and the reason why I’m not going to say the name of that team is because there’s very little chance of that trade happening.”
Source: Sports Illustrated
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Don't forget that Tony is a Knicks fan . . . might have effected the response from his source.

Also, I'm not calling Tonys reporting into question here. He reports what he's told and is probably the best in town in my opinion. But a good chance whoever he was speaking too (probably Jordan himself) knows he's a Knicks fan and played on that.

Am I right @Tony Jones?
 
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He's been a both great defender and scorer in San Antonio since his surgery, but focused more on offense than defense since the trade to Atlanta. He has proven he can do it. We have guys on our team like Clarkson that have proven they cannot. Murray on offense is a better fit too as he is less selfish. I wish he was more efficient, but he is better than what we have and a pick or two is worth it. We still have lots of other assets too. If we just wait for someone like Luka to throw everything at, then we will either wait forever because he is not coming or miss out on having a fun team with talent that still has assets to get better.
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Unless he can propel us to championship status I could care less as to any of those things you talked about, and just because he played defense in San Antonio. He was hungry then. He’s since been an Allstar and got paid. Maybe he’ll revert back to his spurs days but something tells me he won’t. In my opinion his acquisition takes us out of any opportunity for a star which we need.
 
Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
Unless he can propel us to championship status I could care less as to any of those things you talked about, and just because he played defense in San Antonio. He was hungry then. He’s since been an Allstar and got paid. Maybe he’ll revert back to his spurs days but something tells me he won’t. In my opinion his acquisition takes us out of any opportunity for a star which we need.
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If your bar is "this player can definitely propel Utah to a championship" you are never going to acquire a player again.
 
Trae is like the 25th best player in the league imo... somewhere in that vicinity. I think he will rocket you to the 3-6 range in your conference but will limit your ceiling. If we are building a team around Lauri that wins a title I think it has to be a sum of their parts is greater than the whole type of deal. I think Trae can elevate the team on offense but isn't matchup proof and will cap the ceiling on what type of defensive team you'd like to be. I just think James Harden is the absolute best version of the player Trae could be and his ceiling isn't that high because of physical limitations. Rockets should have won a title so maybe that is proof of concept but we say James have struggles in the playoffs at times. I think Trae will have similar limitations.

If you are truly trying to build a contender I'd go other routes. Jalen Brown would be the type of target you could get as a foundation piece I'd look at. Maybe if Key gets good fast you have something there.

If you want to build to the middle playoff team type of tier (the "Kangs" tier if you will) then I think there are more efficient ways to get there. I'm skeptical we go the trade for a star route... I think it might be more likely we eventually move Lauri and move towards a "process" type bottoming out OR one of the young players we draft will grow into a star and we will supplement with other guys that fit really well (through trade) but will be sub AS level.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Trae is like the 25th best player in the league imo... somewhere in that vicinity. I think he will rocket you to the 3-6 range in your conference but will limit your ceiling. If we are building a team around Lauri that wins a title I think it has to be a sum of their parts is greater than the whole type of deal. I think Trae can elevate the team on offense but isn't matchup proof and will cap the ceiling on what type of defensive team you'd like to be. I just think James Harden is the absolute best version of the player Trae could be and his ceiling isn't that high because of physical limitations. Rockets should have won a title so maybe that is proof of concept but we say James have struggles in the playoffs at times. I think Trae will have similar limitations.

If you are truly trying to build a contender I'd go other routes. Jalen Brown would be the type of target you could get as a foundation piece I'd look at. Maybe if Key gets good fast you have something there.

If you want to build to the middle playoff team type of tier (the "Kangs" tier if you will) then I think there are more efficient ways to get there. I'm skeptical we go the trade for a star route... I think it might be more likely we eventually move Lauri and move towards a "process" type bottoming out OR one of the young players we draft will grow into a star and we will supplement with other guys that fit really well (through trade) but will be sub AS level.
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I'd build around Trae/Lauri 1000/100 times before Brown/Lauri.

Jalen Brown is one of the worst pairings for Lauri I can think of.

The Jazz need the next big acquisition to be a star playmaker, not a 2-way guy who can masquerade as a playmaker during the regular season.
 
The scary thing about building around Trae/Lauri is that then you are really putting a lot of pressure on Walker that I'm not sure he can deal with.
 
I think there are 12-13 players in this NBA you may be able to make the case could be the best player on a championship team. Unless you build a Detroit Pistons style contender... which only really worked once. I don't think Lauri or Trae are one of those 12-13 players. I think Lauri could be the best player on a Pistons style team that could be considered a contender... I think Trae would limit that style of contender.
 
Also Harden Rockets were amazing and lost because of generational choking that had nothing to do w/ playstyle. It's just who Harden was. Taking it as some kind of proof that a heliocentric defense-lite superstar cant win would be a mistake especially when it's a better formula than most.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I'd build around Trae/Lauri 1000/100 times before Brown/Lauri.

Jalen Brown is one of the worst pairings for Lauri I can think of.

The Jazz need the next big acquisition to be a star playmaker, not a 2-way guy who can masquerade as a playmaker during the regular season.
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Its not ideal but those two would allow for another playmaker to grow around them. Having Trae limits the other types of dudes you can put on the floor... Brown/Lauri can both play on any team.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Also Harden Rockets were amazing and lost because of generational choking that had nothing to do w/ playstyle. It's just who Harden was. Taking it as some kind of proof that a heliocentric defense-lite superstar cant win would be a mistake especially when it's a better formula than most.
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Problem is prime Harden >> Trae

I was using the Rockets as the absolute ideal and yes they were great and likely win a title if it isn't for the Warriors, but playstyle definitely affected them several years. Harden runs out of energy or doesn't get his grifting fouls anymore and it helped lead to choking in some years. They had two historic anomalies too.

The size is a huge issue too. You could play another pg next to Harden... if you were able to get a FVV or Garland (that size and style of player not those exact guys) or Key grows into a stud... its hard to play that guy next to Young... a guy like Brown again can play with anyone (as flawed as he is).

Trae may win a title if he joins the Lakers in the offseason... but he will be the 3rd best player in that situation. Outside of that I'm just not sure you can build a legit title threat around Trae. With that contract and that acquisition price he has to be that for me. I just don't want to start this rebuild by shooting our wad on a guy with that many limiting factors.

Side note - he seems like a dick and not the personality you really want to lead your locker room.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Also Harden Rockets were amazing and lost because of generational choking that had nothing to do w/ playstyle. It's just who Harden was. Taking it as some kind of proof that a heliocentric defense-lite superstar cant win would be a mistake especially when it's a better formula than most.
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Harden was an MVP level player and made the all star team 15 seasons in a row.
Trae ain't that.

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