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Yes Kessler shot 88.9% from the free throw line in February, we can see his improvement and expect him to get better
Walker Kessler Bench Appreciation Thread
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Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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Lmao if you had even a decent answer you’d throw it in my face. Everything you said was wrong right down to you accusing me of comparing the two which went completely over your head like an idiot.
You directly compared the two, it ain’t an accusation, it’s fact. It’s literally quoted in the post I responded to. You compared Kessler’s shooting to Brook’s. It’s inarguable.
If you don’t understand why it’s a dumb comparison, even after it’s been posted in this thread, you are either completely stupid or simply arguing in bad faith. Either way, you are not worth any time.
HermanG
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Using a player as a case example is not the same as comparing them and saying they are the same player or even on the same path.
Yet you are correct that there is little to no evidence that Kessler currently has a foundation to build on, which Lopez definitely had.
His mechanics look clunky and his rhythm, form and release are wildly inconsistent.
Best argument for Kessler is probably banking on that he shoots well in practices/shootarounds (which is supported by the fact that Hardy allows him to shoot). In that case the inconsistency could mostly be a mental issue that resolves to some degree with added confidence.
They let Walker shoot corner 3s because they think it will get him to play hard by letting him try things, not because he shows well in practice.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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I never compared them my god you are dense!! I gave an example of a player who wasn’t at all a 3pt shooter that became one to show it was possible for Kessler to be at least a decent at it. That’s all. I never compared their games to any degree but by all means continue your narrative to prove your right, and not wrong.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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Wow!! Didn’t realize you were in that coaches meeting. Impressive
Brother you are describing a comparison
Tremendous Upside
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LOL. You really think Walker wants to take those shots? Guy is like a deer in the headlights every time. Yeah, not buying it as a motivation tool.
Yes.
I always go back to the story THT told when he first met Walker in training camp. He asked Walker if he likes to roll or pop and he said pop.
If they Walker was shooting it so well they'd give him more than one shot every few games.
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Has walker ever complained about touches or shots? I dont think he even wants to shoot threes.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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Nope. I originally said Kessler needs to start and be allowed to let it fly in hopes he can get good at it. Someone said he can’t get better so I gave an example of a 7 footer that didn’t even shoot threes in college or the first few years in the nba. There was no comparing the two at all
I cannot believe what I’m seeing lol.
If describing one player in relation to another is not comparing the two….man who tf cares. Whatever yall are doing with Kessler and Lopez is dumb as **** and it’s a reoccurring thing.
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I did not accuse him of saying they are the same player. I said he compared them. Describing one player in relation to another is comparing them. It’s a fact. You cannot describe one thing in relation to another without comparing them, because that is a comparison. Saying Brook and Kessler both shot 0 threes is a comparison. Bringing up an example because of similarity is a comparison.
He even said Kessler is a “more accomplished shooter than Lopez in his second year”. It is not possible to say one thing is “more” than the other without it being comparison lol.
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I would say he isn't comparing players or people but rather is comparing an achievement.
Like you could completely remove the names.
I saw a guy who couldn't shoot 3's work at that lack of skill and turn it into a skill. That shows that a non shooter can become a shooter.
No names were needed. No players were needed. Just an example of something that happened so to show a possibility that the thing could happen again.
Of course this is a stupid discussion. Best thing you and Cy could have done is to respond with something like "ya other players who couldn't shoot 3's eventually were able to so there is a chance that Kessler could improve his shooting as well but it's very unlikely he will ever be a good shooter".
Everyone nods their heads and the discussion is over. No insults would even be needed.
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The names don’t mean anything. The fact that anyone thinks Brook’s shooting is comparable or should be used as an example (same thing btw) for Kessler is dumb as hell. It only makes sense you ignore everything about the two beside their 3 point total, but that is incredibly stupid and willfully ignorant. Removes the banes, sure. Remove everything else that might indicate who can and cannot make the improvement? Stupid.
I’m not saying what you quoted because that is not my point. My point is that no one should ever look at what Brook did with his 3 pointer and say…Kessler is similar and can do that too. No **** it’s unlikely….if Brook’s career makes you think it’s less unlikely because they both made zero 3’s as rookies you have completely ignored any other context.
The only reason we’re arguing about these dumb semantics, what is and what isn’t a comparison, is that we all know the actual argument being presented is stupid and carries no weight. It’s dead obvious that Brook at zero 3’s and Kessler at zero 3’s demonstrated much more potential to shoot 3’s….but since we don’t want to address that reality we are trying to change the English language.
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As for your last sentence, Kessler has never been at zero 3's.
The argument being presented is that thee thinks its a good thing for kessler to work on his shooting in the hopes he can become better at it. I dont see why it would be a bad thing for him to work on it.
His free throw shooting this month is at 88%. That bodes well that he might have an ok stroke. I never ever see him airball a free throw like gobert does. I never ever see him airball 3 pointers. He drills them really well in practice. As a rookie he made 33.3% from three which isn't horrendous (I know the volume was low).
Im rooting for Kessler to improve his shooting and hope he continues to work on it and someday does what other players have done with their improvements on their shots. We can simply agree to disagree.
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The Team USA big man and future Jazz centerpiece invested considerable time and effort refining his shooting mechanics, a multipart process which he divulged in some detail.
The most significant component, Kessler explained, involved changing his arm motion and release point. The way he shot it before, he had the “bad habit” of bringing the ball up too high, to the point that it was above or even slightly behind his head.
“Everyone’s form is different, but for me, it kind of had this catapult motion where there wasn’t a lot of arc, it was kind of a hard shot, not a lot of touch,” Kessler said.
So he and personal trainer Austin Ewing spent this offseason focused on keeping the ball more in front of his face. They also worked on transferring the forward movement of the shooting motion from his arm to his wrist.
“So it’s added a lot more touch on the shot, and once you get that baseline, it’s [just] continuing to rep it out,” Kessler said.
The other big factor has been tweaking his base.
There, he’s been primarily working with Jazz assistant Chris Jones on a few specific things: keeping his legs slightly wider, in what he jokingly refers to as “my sumo stance”; putting his right foot slightly in front of his left; trying not to have his right knee bent inward; picking up his feet rather than sliding them.
“The shot up top is important, but your base is the most important thing — at least for my shot,” Kessler said. “If I can get my feet under me and really focus on stepping and getting my legs down, usually it means that my shot’s a lot, lot better.”
“Yeah, he’s definitely more willing now. And we’re obviously willing him and want him to shoot when he’s open, as well,” said Olynyk. “He has good form, and he has good rotation on the ball. It looks good. He’s made a bunch of them in workouts, practices, stuff like that. So it’s just about getting that game timing and feel down. But he’s gonna be open, teams are gonna leave him open, so if he wants to shoot, he can.”
Markkanen, meanwhile, who is pretty universally considered the Jazz’s best shooter, was encouraging about the effort Kessler has put in, but cautioned expecting immediate results is perhaps unwise.
Perfecting your shooting form, he said, is a long-term project.
"I’m glad that Walker’s putting in work every day, and I’m glad to see him make ‘em.”
Now, The Finnisher explained, it’s all about trying shots out in a game.
Walker Kessler, 3-point shooter? Jazz center breaks down the tweaks to his form
Utah Jazz center Walker Kessler spent the summer working with a couple of coaches on adjusting the full-body mechanics of his jumper, in an effort to become more prolific and efficient from beyond the arc. The second-year big man and a couple of sweet-shooting teammates break down what's different.
The center has spent the summer working with a couple of coaches on adjusting the full-body mechanics of his jumper, in an effort to become more prolific and efficient from beyond the arc.
The Team USA big man and future Jazz centerpiece invested considerable time and effort refining his shooting mechanics, a multipart process which he divulged in some detail.
The most significant component, Kessler explained, involved changing his arm motion and release point. The way he shot it before, he had the “bad habit” of bringing the ball up too high, to the point that it was above or even slightly behind his head.
“Everyone’s form is different, but for me, it kind of had this catapult motion where there wasn’t a lot of arc, it was kind of a hard shot, not a lot of touch,” Kessler said.
So he and personal trainer Austin Ewing spent this offseason focused on keeping the ball more in front of his face. They also worked on transferring the forward movement of the shooting motion from his arm to his wrist.
“So it’s added a lot more touch on the shot, and once you get that baseline, it’s [just] continuing to rep it out,” Kessler said.
The other big factor has been tweaking his base.
There, he’s been primarily working with Jazz assistant Chris Jones on a few specific things: keeping his legs slightly wider, in what he jokingly refers to as “my sumo stance”; putting his right foot slightly in front of his left; trying not to have his right knee bent inward; picking up his feet rather than sliding them.
“The shot up top is important, but your base is the most important thing — at least for my shot,” Kessler said. “If I can get my feet under me and really focus on stepping and getting my legs down, usually it means that my shot’s a lot, lot better.”
“Yeah, he’s definitely more willing now. And we’re obviously willing him and want him to shoot when he’s open, as well,” said Olynyk. “He has good form, and he has good rotation on the ball. It looks good. He’s made a bunch of them in workouts, practices, stuff like that. So it’s just about getting that game timing and feel down. But he’s gonna be open, teams are gonna leave him open, so if he wants to shoot, he can.”
Markkanen, meanwhile, who is pretty universally considered the Jazz’s best shooter, was encouraging about the effort Kessler has put in, but cautioned expecting immediate results is perhaps unwise.
Perfecting your shooting form, he said, is a long-term project.
"I’m glad that Walker’s putting in work every day, and I’m glad to see him make ‘em.”
Now, The Finnisher explained, it’s all about trying shots out in a game.