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Taylor Hendricks Hype Thread

Maybe. However, that's not quite my view. I can't be sure my memory is correct. But for Exum, it was only a a fall of 1, I think. I don't think there was any way he was going above Wiggins, Parker, and Embiid (though there were questions about the latter's health). I do think Gordon slid above him at the end, so if there was something from the workouts, it was probably just with Orlando. For TH, I don't really remember him being above about 7 in most mocks and I don't think anyone really thought there was much of a slide when he went #9.

Exum only dropped one spot, but iirc he was strongly considered in a tier where he would go top 4. We had #5, and I don’t think it was ever expected that he be available. TH was discussed more around here as a possibility at #9, but he definitely had some hype of going much higher.

In the end….I guess where I draw the comparison is that all teams that worked the players out passed on them. Your comment sparked that thought. Could be nothing, but I wonder if their rawness showed up in their workouts which cause teams to pass on them.
 
Apologies if this has been discussed before:

Wasn't Hendricks one of the guys we were unable to work out in person before the draft? If that's the case, do you think the Jazz evaluation on him would have differed going into the draft if they had gotten a more up-close look?
I mean the terrible workouts is much of the reason why GG and Cam Whitmore fell so hard. . .
 
Hardy had some nice things to say about Hendricks during his post-game press conference. I wrote about it below and I would love it if you guys gave it a read!

I think that was a nice piece. Well written and very professional.

As you listened through the press conference, did Hardy mention anything about Brice? I though he looked ok with his minutes early on, but then suddenly he got benched until garbage time.
 
I think that was a nice piece. Well written and very professional.

As you listened through the press conference, did Hardy mention anything about Brice? I though he looked ok with his minutes early on, but then suddenly he got benched until garbage time.
No mention of Brice. No mention of anyone besides Hendricks really. It all depends on what the media, beat writers and reporters ask him.

First question was about how the defense managed to hold the Spurs to 48 points in the paint when they have Wemby.

Then a follow-up asking about Hendricks on offense.

Then he was asked what the whole goal is when they play zone defense and what they are trying to get out of it.

Might have missed something but that was the gist of it.
 
I think that was a nice piece. Well written and very professional.

As you listened through the press conference, did Hardy mention anything about Brice? I thought he looked ok with his minutes early on, but then suddenly he got benched until garbage time.
Brice actually came in with like 1:30 left in the 3rd and played some minutes at the beginning of the 4th. Hardy is playing a 9-guy rotation right now and Brice is the 9th guy currently.
 
Brice actually came in with like 1:30 left in the 3rd and played some minutes at the beginning of the 4th. Hardy is playing a 9-guy rotation right now and Brice is the 9th guy currently.
I missed that stint somehow. Wasnt that locked in I guess. Just at the end when he came in with the clean up crew I felt like he hadn't been in for a while.
 
Loved the D on Wemby. He probably could have gotten called for a lot more fouls if Wemby was more seasoned in showing contact to the refs, but nonetheless it was good D.

The most interesting thing about Hendricks is too me is how much strength he can add and how much it can help his game. He just looks weak out there to me, but it wasnt an issue against Wemby.

Also, when he actually becomes a decent 3pt shooter, getting 6+ attempts per game is going to come fairly easily for him. He definitely likes to shoot it quickly.
 
I wonder how good Hendricks can end up being defensively at the 5. If his shot comes around, wow.
 
I wonder how good Hendricks can end up being defensively at the 5. If his shot comes around, wow.
He only works at the 5 against guys that lack strength and have a more perimeter oriented game. He is going to be at his best at the 4 I would guess with the ability to switch on to most players without getting eaten up. It should be fun to see his game grow over the rest of this year as he gains confidence. I love the fact that he doesn't show any hesitancy when it comes to shooting the 3 ball even though he isn't hitting them right now. He will definitely have a few games where he gets hot and we get a good idea of what he may be in the future.
 
I wonder how good Hendricks can end up being defensively at the 5. If his shot comes around, wow.
Maybe if you have a perfect defensive lineup around him, but I dont think he is going to command a defensive unit at the 5 on the strength of his ability to play the 5.
 
I wonder how good Hendricks can end up being defensively at the 5. If his shot comes around, wow.
I think the draw of Hendricks is that he allows you to play a traditional rim protector at the 5 except in extreme small ball matchup situations.
 
Alright, so I haven't been very active here but there have been a handful of things I've wanted to say that I haven't been able to get around to. This may seem a little late, but I found the whole idea of the FO throwing cold water on TH very bizarre. Not directly, obviously, but the vibe coming from the leaks and people around the organization was to almost combat fan expectation or enthusiasm not by saying "hey, he's a rookie, we're glad we have him, he's got a lot of learning and maturing, etc., etc., but we're working with it" but rather by basically saying "hey, you guys are unrealistic because this guy sucks." More than strange, the irony seems to be lost that it's a self-indictment. He sucks? Oh, okay. He's on our roster as a result of the experts experting last draft. The natural retort is probably, "but our hands were tied because we were in the 9th spot and the 8 other guys got drafted before us." The reason we were in the 9th spot, again, is a result of the experts experting last year. If the argument is "hey, we couldn't get a good enough look at him to know _____," well, guess what. Yep, that's right. No matter how you slice this and no matter how far you keep kicking the can on this argument, it still flows back to self-indictment. I'm not saying anything bad about TH (that's certainly not my opinion), I just think it's funny that instead leaking out about how he's our guy and we expect it to be slow but we're working with him and whatever, it's just leaked out "he ****ing sucks" as if every turn of this process doesn't end with responsibility on the shoulders of the FO.

That said, I'm under no illusion of perfection and I try to reign in complaining [too much] about decisions in hindsight. If the decision is patently obviously poor in foresight (Collins, THT, etc.) then I will criticize that rather than things that had decent reasoning but just didn't work out. I believe most people will believe in and push the idea that, yes, even professionals make mistakes, but I just wish this wasn't just an idea that only gets thrown out and acknowledged post hoc. It's easy to say "hey, they make mistakes, too" well after the fact. It's the challenge that before and during the poor decision making that nobody can appeal to the idea that the decisions could be wrong but more of an appeal to letting the experts expert. Let's just apply it equally to both sides and acknowledge some level of agnosticism about the process. If the FO believes TH sucks, it means last summer they had no clue what they were doing. If it's a function of draft position, it shows that before and during the season, the FO had no clue what they were doing. Right now I kinda feel like we have no clue what we're doing but that will only be acknowledged well after the fact of "well duh this didn't work out and it's not hard to see why" but most people who consider themselves reasonable would eschew acknowledging this in real time.

tl;dr I like Hendricks and he needs to play and it's one of the many dumb things about the Collins trade.

Flame away.
 
Alright, so I haven't been very active here but there have been a handful of things I've wanted to say that I haven't been able to get around to. This may seem a little late, but I found the whole idea of the FO throwing cold water on TH very bizarre. Not directly, obviously, but the vibe coming from the leaks and people around the organization was to almost combat fan expectation or enthusiasm not by saying "hey, he's a rookie, we're glad we have him, he's got a lot of learning and maturing, etc., etc., but we're working with it" but rather by basically saying "hey, you guys are unrealistic because this guy sucks." More than strange, the irony seems to be lost that it's a self-indictment. He sucks? Oh, okay. He's on our roster as a result of the experts experting last draft. The natural retort is probably, "but our hands were tied because we were in the 9th spot and the 8 other guys got drafted before us." The reason we were in the 9th spot, again, is a result of the experts experting last year. If the argument is "hey, we couldn't get a good enough look at him to know _____," well, guess what. Yep, that's right. No matter how you slice this and no matter how far you keep kicking the can on this argument, it still flows back to self-indictment. I'm not saying anything bad about TH (that's certainly not my opinion), I just think it's funny that instead leaking out about how he's our guy and we expect it to be slow but we're working with him and whatever, it's just leaked out "he ****ing sucks" as if every turn of this process doesn't end with responsibility on the shoulders of the FO.

That said, I'm under no illusion of perfection and I try to reign in complaining [too much] about decisions in hindsight. If the decision is patently obviously poor in foresight (Collins, THT, etc.) then I will criticize that rather than things that had decent reasoning but just didn't work out. I believe most people will believe in and push the idea that, yes, even professionals make mistakes, but I just wish this wasn't just an idea that only gets thrown out and acknowledged post hoc. It's easy to say "hey, they make mistakes, too" well after the fact. It's the challenge that before and during the poor decision making that nobody can appeal to the idea that the decisions could be wrong but more of an appeal to letting the experts expert. Let's just apply it equally to both sides and acknowledge some level of agnosticism about the process. If the FO believes TH sucks, it means last summer they had no clue what they were doing. If it's a function of draft position, it shows that before and during the season, the FO had no clue what they were doing. Right now I kinda feel like we have no clue what we're doing but that will only be acknowledged well after the fact of "well duh this didn't work out and it's not hard to see why" but most people who consider themselves reasonable would eschew acknowledging this in real time.

tl;dr I like Hendricks and he needs to play and it's one of the many dumb things about the Collins trade.

Flame away.
Its weird... I still can't tell if they were going for "hey we got Key at 16 and we had him 10th right after TH" and they were trying to make it sound good. Or maybe they were going for "hey we don't love how this worked out and we are all looking for the people that did this".

Its just weird they pimp up certain guys like Ochai as untouchable or a must start guy in Year 2 and temper expectations on other guys so hard. Not sure if there is anything we can or should make of it.
 
Regarding Infection's comments regarding Tay Henny's suckiness, at the moment he really does as in Luka style suckiness. It's disappointing as Luka averaged about 10 ppg last year during the tankapalooza. I realize that Scouts and FOs don't nail every pick but it seems some alarm bells should have been going off. It's also disappointing that the FO is shrugging their shoulders at this now.
 
Its weird... I still can't tell if they were going for "hey we got Key at 16 and we had him 10th right after TH" and they were trying to make it sound good. Or maybe they were going for "hey we don't love how this worked out and we are all looking for the people that did this".

Its just weird they pimp up certain guys like Ochai as untouchable or a must start guy in Year 2 and temper expectations on other guys so hard. Not sure if there is anything we can or should make of it.

Maybe this is me reading into too much….but Zanik was so excited when talking about how the draft fell. It makes me wonder if they actually had Keyonte higher, or maybe he personally thought of Keyonte higher, and they made a gamble to wait on Keyonte and got both. TH wasn’t going to fall to 16, so they rolled the dice and got both.

I don’t think I can co-sign a lot of @infections thoughts. For example, I don’t think trading for JC is necessarily an indictment on TH….but I think everyone can see that internally the Jazz don’t seem super high on him for whatever reason. I had expectations of TH…and I think he’s fell short of that. But I don’t think he’s as bad as the internal reviews (what’s been reported) seem to indicate.
 
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