The Biden Administration and All Things Politics

Red said:

I offered you one more opportunity, your very last, yesterday. But, your self centered nature, your seemingly inexhaustible selfishness, won out. Not unexpected of course. I gave you a chance, though, just to be certain of who you were.

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The Thriller said:

Yep. You did.

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Engaging earnestly with a troll is like arguing with a moron. Eventually he'll drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

LogGrad98 said:

Engaging earnestly with a troll is like arguing with a moron. Eventually he'll drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

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LogGrad98 said:

Horse's mouth

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Once again I'm talking politics and these guys turn it into personal attacks and drama. All because I asked @Red a question that he was too afraid to answer. Literally occupying buildings and taking people hostage in Jew hatred is terrorism by definition. People ask me questions all of the time I'm uncomfortable with but I'm a grown man who can answer them. My question was an honest question, it just was too honest. But hey "MTG, MTG, MTG, MTG, MTG, MTG, Moscow Marjorie" is far more sophisticated.... Obsessing about some broad is important today.

SteakNEggs said:

Yet this is something "I would like to learn more about"(quoting you). This is sheer antisemite terrorist by definition. Can you explain to me how this is not "a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims"(terrorism) while laughably obsessing about some moron? @The Thriller ? Again not trolling, just because this is something that makes you extremely uncomfortable does not mean I am trolling nor demanding an answer. I'm asking a simple question. By definition how is insurrecting an entire building and refusing to let workers leave? How is that not terrorism?


"They Held me hostage":
Hours after Columbia University began suspending students who did not abandon their anti-Israel encampment in the heart of campus, the agitators dialed up their demonstration by taking over an academic building.

Early Tuesday morning, hundreds of anti-Israel protesters at Columbia's Manhattan campus took over Hamilton Hall, an academic building used by the dean and other senior offices. The unruly group gained access shortly before 1 a.m. and then began "moving metal gates to barricade the doors, blocking entrances with wooden tables and chairs, and zip-tying doors shut," according to the student newspaper Columbia Spectator.

Other footage showed the agitators in New York smashing windows, unfurling a Palestinian flag over a window and chanting: "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" and "Palestine will live forever." Outside the facility, the anti-Israel rebels, many of whom wore masks, locked arms in front of Hamilton Hall to form a human barricade.

The students are demanding three things from the university: divest their financial support of Israel, become more transparent with the university's investments and provide blanket amnesty to students who have taken part in the disruptive, weeks-long demonstration.

At least three facilities workers were inside the academic building when the anti-Israel agitators stormed in, the student newspaper reported. The workers were subsequently allowed to leave at around 12:40 a.m., with one reportedly yelling "they held me hostage" as he left the building.

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Insurrection: an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government

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I wouldn't call it terrorism because doing so debases real terrorism.



Morons occupying a building isn’t the same as detonating a bomb at the finish line of the Boston marathon. This climate could be a gateway to terrorism. You may be able to semantically justify your label, but if this is already terrorism and these are already terrorists then you’ve erased any line limiting them from actually killing people for their cause.

Most of these people are protestors making their voices heard. Their messages may be vile and uninformed but the first amendment is specifically for protecting vile opinions. You don’t need free speech protections for reasonable and approved opinions. It is the awful, sacrilegious, idiotic, hate speech that the first amendment is there to protect, and these protestors should be allowed to exercise their personal liberties even if I disagree with their message.

What they should not be allowed to do is hold people hostage, trespass, or break-and-enter buildings. Those are criminal acts. I have no problem labeling the protesters who do those things as ‘criminals’, but I would not condone labeling them ‘terrorists’.

Al-O-Meter said:

I wouldn't call it terrorism because doing so debases real terrorism.

Morons occupying a building isn’t the same as detonating a bomb at the finish line of the Boston marathon. This climate could be a gateway to terrorism. You may be able to semantically justify your label, but if this is already terrorism and these are already terrorists then you’ve erased any line limiting them from actually killing people for their cause.

Most of these people are protestors making their voices heard. Their messages may be vile and uninformed but the first amendment is specifically for protecting vile opinions. You don’t need free speech protections for reasonable and approved opinions. It is the awful, sacrilegious, idiotic, hate speech that the first amendment is there to protect, and these protestors should be allowed to exercise their personal liberties even if I disagree with their message.

What they should not be allowed to do is hold people hostage, trespass, or break-and-enter buildings. Those are criminal acts. I have no problem labeling the protesters who do those things as ‘criminals’, but I would not condone labeling them ‘terrorists’.

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I see your point but a huge faction of these peoples reasoning is strictly to terrorize Jewish people. Jewish students are terrified to go to class and they literally have had to shut down institutions in fear of violence. Now I agree that a lot of these students like I posted yesterday are just doing it for the self-righteousness and attention but there is also a concentrated effort from outsiders to intimidate and shut down places of work and colleges. They are terrorizing a specific group of people based off of their religion.

For example: Terrorism-the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion. Is that not exactly what breaking into buildings and shutting down Colleges all across the country is? Columbia they are shutting down a college and insurrecting buildings unless they get their way. That is literally terrorism. I mean, USC students can't even attend graduation because it was shut down in fear of violence. We are shutting down places of Education and work due to threats of violence and disruption. If you believe Mike Johnson, not that I do or don't but HAMAS is funding these gatherings.

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SteakNEggs said:

Jewish students are terrified to go to class

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Okay, and so what? There is no shortage of lefty snowflakes terrified they’ll hear something racist or an opinion supportive of conservative views in class. Eff your feelings. Coddling everyone who says they feel unsafe is not good for society. If criminal lines of assault or harassment are crossed then prosecute those crimes.

I’m also not a fan of pointing out the behavior of the most egregious and painting a group with it. Some of these protesters are truly bad people and others wish they were more educated on the topic but they’re there because it is a thing to do. I don’t know how many are the former or the latter and neither do you but I think even you would admit the possibility “they” aren’t all in lock step ideologically.

I reject your definition of terrorism. I see a difference between people who set off bombs with the intention to kill people, and those voicing opinions that make other feel unsafe. What I feel you are doing is conflating speech with violence. They aren’t the same and that line shouldn’t be blurred for something as trivial as winning an argument.

Al-O-Meter said:

Okay, and so what? There is no shortage of lefty snowflakes terrified they’ll hear something racist or an opinion supportive of conservative views in class. Eff your feelings. Coddling everyone who says they feel unsafe is not good for society. If criminal lines of assault or harassment are crossed then prosecute those crimes.

I’m also not a fan of pointing out the behavior of the most egregious and painting a group with it. Some of these protesters are truly bad people and others wish they were more educated on the topic but they’re there because it is a thing to do. I don’t know how many are the former or the latter and neither do you but I think even you would admit the possibility “they” aren’t all in lock step ideologically.

I reject your definition of terrorism. I see a difference between people who set off bombs with the intention to kill people, and those voicing opinions that make other feel unsafe. What I feel you are doing is conflating speech with violence. They aren’t the same and that line shouldn’t be blurred for something as trivial as winning an argument.

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Shutting down colleges and place of work due to potential violence is not a feeling. It's a measure taken for safety of the Jewish population at these schools. People can feel what they want but when college institutions have to literally shut down for the safety of the Jewish community, thats more than feelings unsafe, it is unsafe. I am literally using the FBI definition below...

Domestic Terrorism

Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups to further ideological goals stemming from domestic influences, such as those of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature.

is breaking into buildings and vandalizing not violent? Calling for death to America? Criminal acts our own Representative kids are being arrested.

Are they not furthering ideolocal goals? Insurrecting building unless they get what they want?

Is this not political and also an assaut on Jewish students? They literally have to shut down schools because Jewish students are being marginalized.

Mayor Adams openly said that many of these agitators are coming from outside places. This sounds exactly like the movement that hijacked the BLM movement. I think it the same radicalized faction funding and stirring the pot is behind this. And no, like BLM many have a very noble reason to protest, but they are also infiltrated by well financed and well calculated terrorist groups.

120 arrested at NYU protests; Find out who NYC Mayor Adams thinks may be responsible


New York City Mayor Eric Adams said he believes that some of those protesting are outside agitators.

"We strongly believe that is the case right now. That there are people who are here - they latch on to any protest. To see our police officers having bottles thrown at them, chairs," Adams said. "The number of bottles that were thrown, chairs thrown at them. People who peacefully protest an issue, they're not throwing bottles and chairs."

Adams said some people have come to "aggravate" the situation and "to use this to cause violence in our city, and we're going to seek them out. And we're going to identify them."


I'm sorry I have to reject your counter argument. Hundreds upon hundreds of arrest, schools shut down, buildings take over, workers taken hostage(for a short time) is terrorism by literal definition. Now should these people go to Guantanamo Bay? No but they are terrorizing a certain group who has dealt with these exact same tactics before over 6 million were genocided. Showing up to schools and rallys to intimidate Jews in the 1920's and 30's was a huge build up to WW2. This is much more complex than feelings. This is people chanting "from the river to the sea"... it's meant to terrorize.

SteakNEggs said:

I am literally using the FBI definition below...

Domestic Terrorism

Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups to further ideological goals stemming from domestic influences, such as those of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature.

is breaking into buildings and vandalizing not violent?

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Breaking in to buildings and vandalizing are property crimes. They are not violent crimes. From your source, in the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program, violent crime is composed of four offenses: murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault. Nothing I've seen so far qualifies per the FBI's 'violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups'. There have been scattered criminal acts but mostly it is the voicing of an opinion that both you and I find abhorrent.

SteakNEggs said:

I'm sorry I have to reject your counter argument. Hundreds upon hundreds of arrest, schools shut down, buildings take over, workers taken hostage(for a short time) is terrorism by literal definition.

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In those hundreds upon hundreds of arrests, how many were for domestic terrorism? Is the answer: none? The word 'terrorist' isn't a synonym of 'charged with breaking a law'.

As far as campuses shutting down, I think you've swallowed a bit too much of the professional PR narrative. Those schools aren't shutting down to protect Jewish students. The universities are shutting down to protect themselves. A number of university presidents have already lost their positions over this, many big donors have pulled their donations, and they are desperate to avoid viral video footage they may have to answer for. The motivations here, as is usual, are selfish.

SteakNEggs said:

Exactly with elections we're now in 3 wars and antisemites are running the country. Shutting down schools because of the fear that moderate Democrats will attack and be violent against Jews. Last election has awaken the Nazis again. Their antisemitism is celebrated by Democrats. Between Christians and Jews these poor people don't even feel safe at school. You see it everywhere including here. I mean @Rubashov literally admitted he wants to murder all Trump supporters and nobody said a word. It's the new normal amongst Democrats. Genocide is funny. That's not me trollimg that's me show how normalized violence and death are amongst the Democrats. Literally saying Trump supporters should be genocided.... not one of you said a word.

And Gallup is nowhere near a bias polling right leaning. What a blatant lie as usual.

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For one, I'm not a democrat and I never said all Trump supporters should be liquidated. Start at the top, kill the leadership, then go after Murdoch and the alt right media. Send a stern warning to meta and X letting them know they're next things will after a decade or so go back to relative normal, hell adults might even be able to have a civil conversation about politics. At present its impossible.

Al-O-Meter said:

Breaking in to buildings and vandalizing are property crimes. They are not violent crimes. From your source, in the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program, violent crime is composed of four offenses: murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault. Nothing I've seen so far qualifies per the FBI's 'violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups'. There have been scattered criminal acts but mostly it is the voicing of an opinion that both you and I find abhorrent.

In those hundreds upon hundreds of arrests, how many were for domestic terrorism? Is the answer: none? The word 'terrorist' isn't a synonym of 'charged with breaking a law'.

As far as campuses shutting down, I think you've swallowed a bit too much of the professional PR narrative. Those schools aren't shutting down to protect Jewish students. The universities are shutting down to protect themselves. A number of university presidents have already lost their positions over this, many big donors have pulled their donations, and they are desperate to avoid viral video footage they may have to answer for. The motivations here, as is usual, are selfish.

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No... They literally shut down all access points besides one due to people breaking into buildings just yesterday, not for protecting themselves. According to my link you can be considered a terrorist for making threats online. This also inclused racially or ethically motivated violent extremest. I'm not sure where you got your four offenses, but you are wrong on that. There are much more issues to go with it that fit this to a tee.

or the FBI’s purposes, “domestic terrorism” is defined by 18 U.S.C. § 2331(5), as activities:  Involving acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;  Appearing to be intended to: o Intimidate or coerce a civilian population; o Influence the policy of government by intimidation or coercion; or o Affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination or kidnapping; and  Occurring primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States

Rubashov said:

For one, I'm not a democrat and I never said all Trump supporters should be liquidated. Start at the top, kill the leadership, then go after Murdoch and the alt right media. Send a stern warning to meta and X letting them know they're next things will after a decade or so go back to relative normal, hell adults might even be able to have a civil conversation about politics. At present its impossible.

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Edit: Wow never mind. Bookmarked.

SteakNEggs said:

I'm not sure where you got your four offenses, but you are wrong on that.

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You'll have to take up with the FBI your idea of the FBI being wrong about what the FBI considers to be a violent crime. The line "In the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program, violent crime is composed of four offenses: murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, rape, robbery, and aggravated assault." that I cut & pasted into my earlier post is the very first line of the FBI's annual report on violent crime.


Do you think perhaps the FBI being mistaken about what the FBI believes is why zero arrests so far on college campuses have been for domestic terrorism? Is it possible that zero arrests on college campuses have been for domestic terrorism because there hasn't been any domestic terrorism to arrest students for despite what you think you can coble together from the internet?

LogGrad98 said:

Engaging earnestly with a troll is like arguing with a moron. Eventually he'll drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

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Nailed it

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Al-O-Meter said:

You'll have to take up with the FBI your idea of the FBI being wrong about what the FBI considers to be a violent crime. The line "In the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program, violent crime is composed of four offenses: murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, rape, robbery, and aggravated assault." that I cut & pasted into my earlier post is the very first line of the FBI's annual report on violent crime.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/topic-pages/violent-crime

Do you think perhaps the FBI being mistaken about what the FBI believes is why zero arrests so far on college campuses have been for domestic terrorism? Is it possible that zero arrests on college campuses have been for domestic terrorism because there hasn't been any domestic terrorism to arrest students for despite what you think you can coble together from the internet?

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No, I think it would be pretty damn extreme to arrest them on terrorism but what they are doing is terrorizing a certain ethnic group based off of their religion. Am I wrong? Do you really think these people that didn't give a **** about Palestine or a year ago really give a **** about the kids? I don't. I even said "Now should these people go to Guantanamo Bay? No but they are terrorizing a certain group who has dealt with these exact same tactics"? It is terrorism. My definition I provided was word for word. Let me ask you this... If this were Trump supporters, wearing red hats, showing up to schools to intimidated Jews with a MAGA flag. Would people be saying the same thing? I think it would be viewed a hell of a lot different and condemned and investigated for years. There is most definitely double standards in our DoJ.

"Domestic Terrorism

Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups to further ideological goals stemming from domestic influences, such as those of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature.

is breaking into buildings and vandalizing not violent? Calling for death to America? Criminal acts our own Representative kids are being arrested.

Are they not furthering ideolocal goals? Insurrecting building unless they get what they want?

Is this not political and also an assaut on Jewish students? They literally have to shut down schools because Jewish students are being marginalized."

NVMD... Ill address this in private. The only people that come in and add nothing are a few posters here that accuse me of trolling. As you can see, I am talking politics, these posters add nothing of substance but trying to get a reaction and bully.

SteakNEggs said:

is breaking into buildings and vandalizing not violent? Calling for death to America? Criminal acts our own Representative kids are being arrested.

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I have answered each of the above directly.

• Breaking into buildings and vandalizing are not violent crimes. They are property crimes.
• Calling for death to America is an exercise of our freedom of speech rights. It is words. It is not violence.
• The word 'terrorist' isn't a synonym of 'charged with breaking a law'.

As for what "these people" think, I don't believe there is a uniform thought. Some may care. Some may not. We don't prosecute thought crimes. It is all noise until laws are broken. When laws are broken then those criminals should be prosecuted, but I don't believe that raising the temperature by labeling protesters as terrorists is helpful.

Where we find common ground is I don't disagree with your opinion of there being double standards at the DOJ, and I've been extremely vocal in condemning that in the strongest possible terms. Where we don't see eye-to-eye is in the motivation for closing the schools. If the true motivation were that Jewish students were being marginalized or targeted, then why shut the whole school down? In the Civil Rights era when Black students felt marginalized or targeted, they didn't shut the school down and truth be told, those students were in far more danger than Jewish students on even the hottest of campuses today.

Al-O-Meter said:

I have answered each of the above directly.

• Breaking into buildings and vandalizing are not violent crimes. They are property crimes.
• Calling for death to America is an exercise of our freedom of speech rights. It is words. It is not violence.
• The word 'terrorist' isn't a synonym of 'charged with breaking a law'.

As for what "these people" think, I don't believe there is a uniform thought. Some may care. Some may not. We don't prosecute thought crimes. It is all noise until laws are broken. When laws are broken then those criminals should be prosecuted, but I don't believe that raising the temperature by labeling protesters as terrorists is helpful.

Where we find common ground is I don't disagree with your opinion of there being double standards at the DOJ, and I've been extremely vocal in condemning that in the strongest possible terms. Where we don't see eye-to-eye is in the motivation for closing the schools. If the true motivation were that Jewish students were being marginalized or targeted, then why shut the whole school down? In the Civil Rights era when Black students felt marginalized or targeted, they didn't shut the school down and truth be told, those students were in far more danger than Jewish students on even the hottest of campuses today.

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Were talking in circles but yeah, we arent going to see eye to eye on the motivation. I think there is a concentrated effort by powers to destabilize and bring down Western Civilization. I think there is a much larger picture and this is much more sophistically calculated by much larger powers. This isn't just than some stupid college kids, this is planned. I mean I hear about LGBTQ rights and stuff but Palestine literally kills and tortured commanders like Mahmoud Ishtiwi for being gay. These kids don't even know what they're protesting yet have a nationwide protest? Nah, I don't buy it.

Alrighty. let’s return to stuff that matters.

This is more great news! I’d like to see some of our small government conservatives on here praise this. Seems like the (failed) war on drugs, especially on marijuana, is something we can all agree on. Biden with more good policy!

The Thriller said:

Alrighty. let’s return to stuff that matters.

This is more great news! I’d like to see some of our small government conservatives on here praise this. Seems like the (failed) war on drugs, especially on marijuana, is something we can all agree on. Biden with more good policy!

Biden administration plans to reclassify marijuana, easing restrictions nationwide

Cannabis is currently classified along with drugs like heroin and LSD. The administration is expected to reschedule it into a category that includes Tylenol with codeine and steroids.

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Yeah, Republicans fear of weed has always bugged the s* out of me. I have no problem with this. I said the same thing when Trump signed the First Step Act that got petty drug criminals out of jail Or when he legalized hemp. Something the hypocrite Democrats didn't care for because it was Trump. Huh Thriller? Trump has always been pretty moderate on this issue unlike the more old school Conservatives. I will and have debated Republicans about their stupid fear of a plant.

Hemp Is Officially Legalized With President Trump’s Signature On The Farm Bill

The significance of this law change should not be underemphasized,” NORML Deputy Director Paul Armentano said in a press release. “This law marks the first change in the federal classification of the cannabis plant since it was initially classified as a schedule I controlled substance by Congress in 1970, and paves the way for the first federally-sanctioned commercial hemp grows since World War II.”

The Thriller said:

Alrighty. let’s return to stuff that matters.

This is more great news! I’d like to see some of our small government conservatives on here praise this. Seems like the (failed) war on drugs, especially on marijuana, is something we can all agree on. Biden with more good policy!

Biden administration plans to reclassify marijuana, easing restrictions nationwide

Cannabis is currently classified along with drugs like heroin and LSD. The administration is expected to reschedule it into a category that includes Tylenol with codeine and steroids.

www.nbcnews.com

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This is a couple generations overdue