12 year old gay Mormon at church

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Not that I'm cynical or anything, but there is no way the women's organizations are treated the same way as male GA's. Why would they need to pay the women when they have husbands to support them? They have been forced to use more inclusive language now in talking about the women's organizations, but I would be terribly surprised if that has changed anything about any stipends.

Like I said, I have no idea how much, if anything, she was compensated. I would hope that the church either gave her a car or paid for hers as she was basically a 24/7/365 employee. I would hope the church paid for her gas to drive downtown from Murray everyday where she wasn't having to do that. Her husband's income also suffered as he traveled with her A LOT. We talked to him once (trying to get some issued fixed in his house) while he was in the middle of a 10 or 12 day Europe trip with his wife. They visited like 9 or 10 countries in that trip, sitting in over a dozen meetings with the local leaders. He missed work like that regularly. I would hope the church helped with the loss of income, but I have no idea.

 

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[fishonjazz]

It's very simple:

The FT GA's (first quorum of the seventy and higher) live very, very, very well. Better than most.

I think part of what colton was saying is, why shouldn't they live better than most? They are very well educated hard working people who are the best in their field.
Seems like they should be paid better than most.

 

[♪alt13]

I think part of what colton was saying is, why shouldn't they live better than most? They are very well educated hard working people who are the best in their field.
Seems like they should be paid better than most.

Is that a direct QUOTE from Jesus?

 

[fishonjazz]

Is that a direct QUOTE from Jesus?

I doubt it

 

[Jack Strop]

I think part of what colton was saying is, why shouldn't they live better than most? They are very well educated hard working people who are the best in their field.
Seems like they should be paid better than most.

Best in their professional fields, generally just "connected" religiously. Christ called fishermen to be his apostles. When was the last time a humble, poor man was called to be an apostle in the LDS Church?

And if they choose to be GA's, they should be retired from their professions and/or be in a position to work part-time or live off investment earnings. Of course, the LDS church should pay for T&E for GA's and other leaders they ask to travel. But one of the tenets of the LDS church - and something that has been used for DECADES as one of the reason's their church is Christ's true church is that their clergy is unpaid. Doesn't matter where the funds come from. The clergy at the top level is PAID, just like any other church. Hey, here's an idea...why not call GA's for 10-15 years. Retired or able to pay for their own living expenses only. Then they're still lucid for pretty much all their time. And they don't require salaries.

LDS Church can then use business income for missionary and building funds, etc.

 

[Gameface]

Best in their professional fields, generally just "connected" religiously. Christ called fishermen to be his apostles. When was the last time a humble, poor man was called to be an apostle in the LDS Church?

And if they choose to be GA's, they should be retired from their professions and/or be in a position to work part-time or live off investment earnings. Of course, the LDS church should pay for T&E for GA's and other leaders they ask to travel. But one of the tenets of the LDS church - and something that has been used for DECADES as one of the reason's their church is Christ's true church is that their clergy is unpaid. Doesn't matter where the funds come from. The clergy at the top level is PAID, just like any other church. Hey, here's an idea...why not call GA's for 10-15 years. Retired or able to pay for their own living expenses only. Then they're still lucid for pretty much all their time. And they don't require salaries.

LDS Church can then use business income for missionary and building funds, etc.

Agreed, anyone traveling for the church and performing service for the church should have their travel and expenses paid... Hold on, someone is knocking at my door... oh, never mind, just a couple LDS missionaries who traveled for the church and are performing services for the church, carry on...

 

[Elizah Huge]

I know one thing that really pushed me away while growing up in the Mormon church was going on a mission.

I think it would be an amazing experience if you wanted to do it and have heard nothing but great things from people who have actually gone on missions.

The problem is when the leaders (bishop, stake president, etc.) try to force it on you. It's just not what I wanted to do but yet every Sunday I was literally told "you have to do it" or "God wants you to". I don't understand that thinking at all and think it should be solely up to the person. They shouldn't peer pressure young men into going on missions.

The stake president was the absolute worst about this. He would tell me he would buy me a suit if I decided I wanted to go and constantly encourage me to. Still to this day he has tried coming to my work and house to talk to me. Mind you I haven't been to church in two years.

This kind of pushiness doesn't work and I know personally a few other people who grew up in the church who were pushed away because of this same type of behavior. I always felt like telling them "I understand you went on a mission but that doesn't mean I have to". I truly feel sorry for the kids who's parents have made a mission a foregone conclusion for them and give them no choice on the matter. I've heard stories about kids who since they were little their parents told them they will go on a mission like it's what they should dream about doing.

I'm truly thankful for my parents and thankful that they didn't do that to me and let us make our own decisions. Another main thing that pushes people away is the three hour church services. In my own personal experience I would dread going to church because of how long it was. I didn't even learn anything in the second or third hour most of the time. I think if they did an hour for sacrament and another half hour for the groups to meet and discuss the activities for the upcoming week and things of that nature it would be perfect.

I actually enjoyed sacrament and definitely got the most of that than anything. I just think it's too much at times. From a three hour church service to seminary to mutual on Wednesday to home teachers and missionaries coming to your home to missionaries calling and texting you, its just a lot.

That's just my view on the discussion and thought some of you would enjoy hearing from someone with personal experience.

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[green]

I think part of what colton was saying is, why shouldn't they live better than most? They are very well educated hard working people who are the best in their field.
Seems like they should be paid better than most.

I have no problem with the money they made pre-Church employment.

My problem is the salaries and benefits that puts "servants" in the top 1% of income in the US.

 

[green]

Just to pick out one point from this post, do you believe that tithing is a commandment from God or not? If so, then what's the problem? Shouldn't he teach all members of the church to follow all commandments, not just the well-to-do ones?

(For what it's worth, my wife and I were very poor for about 6 years while we were in school, with an income undoubtedly below the poverty line. We paid tithing on our income and made it work. And we knew that if we became really desperate the church could help us out with e.g. food support from the bishop's storehouse or even with rent payments. That's not to say that all poor people are in the same situation we were in; among other things we also had some family support and we knew that there was a finish line upon graduation. But still...)

Interesting. Do I believe it is a commandment from God? Yes, yes I do. NOW, just like the priesthood ban was nothing more than old man racism, I do not believe that what is taught in this church today is from God.

Once again, old men have twisted a commandment from god to satiate their own desires.

Show me where in the scriptures does the Lord say tithing is 10% of income. Show me where in the scriptures God says that tithing is to be paid before all else.

Tithing was never a flat tax. It was always a progressive tax...until the Church was on the verge on bankruptcy. So, they closed the books, increased the fees to heaven and called it good.

Is tithing a law of God? Yup. Do I pay tithing? Yup. Is the LDS Church's tithing from God? It is as inspired as polygamy, ban on priesthood, banning women from talking/praying in sacrament meetings, the not wanting women to wear shorts, the silly idea that women in the workplace leads to adultery, and so on.

If I have to choose between a law that is so obviously wrong, that goes against scripture or following a prophet who others in his position have been wrong time and time and time again...I'll stick to the scripture.

And after that, those who have thus been tithed shall pay one-tenth of all their interest annually; and this shall be a standing law unto them forever, for my holy priesthood, saith the Lord.

Huh. "interest". "standing law...forever". "saith the Lord".

Ok.

 

[green]

Here is another example of what drives me crazy about the deceit in the Church:

The Church has used this story about Derek Carr, who is not mormon, to guilt members into paying tithing. And they have done it in a way that leads to you BELIEVE that he IS MORMON and that he is paying his 10%. We have no idea about any of that.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/...rterback-Derek-Carr-donates-plans-to-pay.html

If LDS version of tithing is so inspired from God, why all the deceit?

 

[Stoked]

[MENTION=228]green[/MENTION] if you believe and I quote "...I do not believe that what is taught in this church today is from God.", why are you attending that church?

If you do not believe it is from God than you would not be uplifted and brought closer to Him. Seems like a complete waste of your time. I just don't get it.

As for me I am Church friendly but do not participate in any way. Because I disagree with the whole image of God as presented by the LDS church.