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What does everybody think of Nate Orchards draft stock? He just set Utah's all time mark with 16.5 sacks in a season with two games left. IMO, his athleticism is going to test off the charts at the combine and pro day.

I honestly think he's the next Ute to be drafted in the first round.
 
heyhey said:
AZ St vs Oregon St

Wow
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ASU **** the bed so hard. Now, as crazy as it sounds, I think there's some sort of crazy scenario out there in which Utah could win the PAC South in a 3 or 4 way tie and get another shot at Oregon in the title game.

Not sure how the tie breakers work but if Utah wins out, UCLA beats USC and then loses to Stanford the final week, and Arizona beats ASU, that's 4 teams in the south sporting a 6-3 conference record.
 
jazzman12 said:
I honestly think he's the next Ute to be drafted in the first round.
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He should be imo.

Somebody ask green where in the first round of the nfl draft will travis wilson go.
That is the real question
 
UGLI baby said:
Go Utes!! Was a snoozer until OT, but I'll take a win on the road against Stanford!!

Was cool being at Stanford, but their crowd is beyond weak!! Wine and cheese crowd for sure!!

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Tailgating with some randoms...



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That old guy with the 'stache seems to be going pretty hard.
 
ASU looks incredible when Mike Bercovici is at QB. Explosive. Taylor Kelly....not so much. They lose a ton of - throw it all over the field - passing ability in exchange for a solid passing game with a decently mobile QB that doesn't run much anyway. It's a bad trade.
 
jazzman12 said:
ASU **** the bed so hard. Now, as crazy as it sounds, I think there's some sort of crazy scenario out there in which Utah could win the PAC South in a 3 or 4 way tie and get another shot at Oregon in the title game.

Not sure how the tie breakers work but if Utah wins out, UCLA beats USC and then loses to Stanford the final week, and Arizona beats ASU, that's 4 teams in the south sporting a 6-3 conference record.
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Yeah I thought about that. It would be 5 teams though. Arizona too.

In that scenario I think UCLA wins the tie breaker because:

A. Head-to-head (best record in games among the tied teams). -Only Utah & UCLA would have one loss to these teams.
B. Record within the division -Same
C. Record against the next highest placed team in the division (based on record in all games played within the Conference), proceeding through the division. -Same
D. Record in common Conference games. -Same
E. Highest ranking in the College Football Playoff poll entering the final weekend of regular-season games. -UCLA would have to pick up their loss in the last weekend for this scenario to happen. So they would obviously be ranked higher headed in. (They are 11 now)

The best the Utes can get is 2nd in the South.
 
heyhey said:
Yeah I thought about that. It would be 5 teams though. Arizona too.

In that scenario I think UCLA wins the tie breaker because:

A. Head-to-head (best record in games among the tied teams). -Only Utah & UCLA would have one loss to these teams.
B. Record within the division -Same
C. Record against the next highest placed team in the division (based on record in all games played within the Conference), proceeding through the division. -Same
D. Record in common Conference games. -Same
E. Highest ranking in the College Football Playoff poll entering the final weekend of regular-season games. -UCLA would have to pick up their loss in the last weekend for this scenario to happen. So they would obviously be ranked higher headed in. (They are 11 now)

The best the Utes can get is 2nd in the South.
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So be it. Personally, I'd just be stoked to see Utah win out regardless of where they end up. 9-3 or even 8-4 was unthinkable at the beginning of the year and the fact that they just went 4-2 in what I think was the toughest 6 game stretch school history tells me that they have finally grown into a p5 caliber program.
 
jazzman12 said:
So be it. Personally, I'd just be stoked to see Utah win out regardless of where they end up. 9-3 or even 8-4 was unthinkable at the beginning of the year and the fact that they just went 4-2 in what I think was the toughest 6 game stretch school history tells me that they have finally grown into a p5 caliber program.
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This.
 
jazzman12 said:
So be it. Personally, I'd just be stoked to see Utah win out regardless of where they end up. 9-3 or even 8-4 was unthinkable at the beginning of the year and the fact that they just went 4-2 in what I think was the toughest 6 game stretch school history tells me that they have finally grown into a p5 caliber program.
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agreed

We could still get into the Alamo bowl though if all the pieces fall right.

UCLA wins out(knocks USC down to 6-3) and gets into a New years bowl

Utah wins out(knocks AZ down to 6-3).

Arizona beats Arizona State(knocks AZ St down to 6-3).
 
heyhey said:
Yeah I thought about that. It would be 5 teams though. Arizona too.

In that scenario I think UCLA wins the tie breaker because:

A. Head-to-head (best record in games among the tied teams). -Only Utah & UCLA would have one loss to these teams.
B. Record within the division -Same
C. Record against the next highest placed team in the division (based on record in all games played within the Conference), proceeding through the division. -Same
D. Record in common Conference games. -Same
E. Highest ranking in the College Football Playoff poll entering the final weekend of regular-season games. -UCLA would have to pick up their loss in the last weekend for this scenario to happen. So they would obviously be ranked higher headed in. (They are 11 now)

The best the Utes can get is 2nd in the South.
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Wrong. There is indeed a situation where the Utes win the South.


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Bawse Dawg said:
Wrong. There is indeed a situation where the Utes win the South.


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Oh snap you're right. I misunderstood the tie breaker rules. The ones I posted above are only used to reduce multiple teams down to 2.

Here's Utah's path to winning the Pac-12 South.

Utah must win out
UCLA must beat USC
Stanford must beat UCLA
Arizona must beat Arizona State
Five-way tiebreaker at 6-3 in the Pac-12 South! Utah and UCLA would win the first tiebreaker based on records against each other (both 3-1), and then Utah would win the head-to-head tiebreaker against UCLA. Utah goes to Santa Clara!
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https://www.pacifictakes.com/pac-12-football/2014/11/16/7228365/ucla-bruins-arizona-state-sun-devils-usc-trojans-arizona-wildcats-utah-utes-pac-12-south
 
All of those things happening are super unlikely, but all of the results are pretty reasonable when looked at individually.
 
jazzman12 said:
BYU fans, is Orchard as good or better NFL prospect than Ziggy was?
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I'd take Orchard right now. I think Ziggy is just an edge rusher....Nate a more competent overall DE. We'll see though, Ziggy was raw and then got injured this past offseason so he didn't really get to work on too much else than what he already was. I thought he was picked a bit high myself.
 
Duck Rodgers said:
I'd take Orchard right now. I think Ziggy is just an edge rusher....Nate a more competent overall DE. We'll see though, Ziggy was raw and then got injured this past offseason so he didn't really get to work on too much else than what he already was. I thought he was picked a bit high myself.
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I'll be interested to see if Orchard gets top 10 consideration. Like Ziggy, I'm guessing Nate will test off the charts athletically for a DE.
 
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