NAOS
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I’m sure you can guess what impact your view of me has. Carry on.
2020 Presidential election
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Yes, somewhere close to the top for sure.
RandyForRubio
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The tweet you referenced has been deleted. Was this another thing like the "locked" mailboxes that was going around yesterday?
A lot of uproar over those locked boxes in Burbank, which was done for theft protection. Lol.
The Thriller
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Weird. The tweet is still there when I click on it.
But I’m happy that you’ve reassured us that Trump and his donor friend isn’t doing anything to hurt the Post Office. All these reports are wrong. House Dems are meeting over nothing. Phew, that was a close one.
Red
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Voters in North Carolina have received absentee ballot request forms in the mail with Trump's face on them
Given the crisis facing the United States Postal Service before a presidential election, the last thing John Herter expected to receive in the mail Saturday was an absentee ballot request form with President Donald Trump's face on it.
Red
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I worked for awhile for the USPS(it was many years ago, however, while a student), and I know what is being described by this letter carrier is wrong. IF the mail he is talking about is first class. I have spoken to several letter carriers in my own town, and they are not seeing their overtime curtailed. Bottom line here is that regulations do not allow first class mail to be left behind...
www.theguardian.com
“About a month ago, a United States Postal Service (USPS) mail carrier named Mark arrived at his post office in central Pennsylvania and got some shocking news from his station manager. Mark and his coworkers were told they would have to depart the office for deliveries a few hours earlier each day, even if that meant leaving behind much of the day’s mail.
In the weeks that followed, higher-ups at the station instructed carriers to abandon hundreds of pieces of mail in order to depart a mere 10 or 20 minutes earlier. As the days went on, the excess mail started to pile up, and now Mark estimates there are thousands of undelivered letters and packages sitting in his station.
“The supervisors are cracking the whip, making sure we leave,” Mark told the Guardian. “Meanwhile carriers are walking by and saying, ‘Look at all this ****ing mail we’re walking past, it’s just sitting there.’”
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The operative words here are “detains” and “delays”. I’ll have to check, but it’s possible Postal management may say since the orders originated with upper management, the orders to leave mail on the floor are neither “unlawful”, nor “improper”:
www.law.cornell.edu
Louis DeJoy: is Trump's new post office chief trying to rig the election?
Since taking office in June, DeJoy has executed sweeping changes at the struggling USPS, leading to delays in mail delivery – and fears mail-in ballots won’t arrive on time
www.theguardian.com
“About a month ago, a United States Postal Service (USPS) mail carrier named Mark arrived at his post office in central Pennsylvania and got some shocking news from his station manager. Mark and his coworkers were told they would have to depart the office for deliveries a few hours earlier each day, even if that meant leaving behind much of the day’s mail.
In the weeks that followed, higher-ups at the station instructed carriers to abandon hundreds of pieces of mail in order to depart a mere 10 or 20 minutes earlier. As the days went on, the excess mail started to pile up, and now Mark estimates there are thousands of undelivered letters and packages sitting in his station.
“The supervisors are cracking the whip, making sure we leave,” Mark told the Guardian. “Meanwhile carriers are walking by and saying, ‘Look at all this ****ing mail we’re walking past, it’s just sitting there.’”
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The operative words here are “detains” and “delays”. I’ll have to check, but it’s possible Postal management may say since the orders originated with upper management, the orders to leave mail on the floor are neither “unlawful”, nor “improper”:
18 U.S. Code § 1703 - Delay or destruction of mail or newspapers
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NAOS
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There’s a lot of flailing around on this issue it seems. I’ll take some heart in that flailing motion, though—since I’d expect lots of people to act a fool if they legit thought that they were seeing the erosion of their (limited) democracy in real-time. It’s been 4 years of scandal after scandal with no consequences, so......
Political Jazz Fan
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For any idiots buying into this USPS BS. Here is a bit of truth for you.
RandyForRubio
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I guess I should say it says "This tweet is unavailable". I'm not at all active on Twitter, so I can't imagine I'm blocked or anything? Weird.
Anyways, for the rest of your response, that's not at all what I'm saying. I don't like what Trump is saying or doing with the postal service, but I also think some of the rhetoric regarding that is overblown. It's not hard to admit there are issues with the postal service, and that does make things more uncertain for this election period.
RandyForRubio
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4 years? You're being very generous today! Try decades.
NAOS
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Please don’t act like you don’t know what I’m saying. And please don’t act like Trump has been a continuation of business as usual. Tia.
RandyForRubio
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In the aspect that every president has used more and more power, yeah, he's a continuation of business.
If you want to discuss how it's exponentially higher than it previously was, then it's just a continuation of the precedents that President Obama set.
Thems the facts, bub.
NAOS
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I’m guessing the next point you left off your post is that the burden of proof as to whether there’s been a significant change in business as usual falls on me and my position, right?
Regardless, either way there’s been a significant shifting of the goalposts in this “discussion”. I was talking about the flailing around that seems to surround the changes as USPS: there are plenty of things worthy of sounding an alarm, and some things that are being over-reacted to. My point is that I would expect there to be some serious flailing at this point DUE TO THE MIDSET OF THE MASSES (i.e. not me specifically). So go ask them.... or sit back and cynically think there’s nothing new under the sun.
NAOS
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Had to cycle back and lol at the bolded.
Political Jazz Fan
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NAOS
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Thought experiment:
imagine a small sheet of ice covering a flat stone. The temperature outside is 25 degrees Fahrenheit, but the temperature has been slowly rising for the past twenty years and will continue to do so.
Fast-forward twenty more years. The temperature outside is now 31 degrees Fahrenheit, and the sheet of ice is still there on the flat stone, essentially the same. All the evidence suggests that there’s been a slow and steady rise in temperature during the past twenty years—and that the ice has remained ice, and moved as ice moves.
Fast-forward 3 more years. The temperature outside is now 34-degrees outside. The temperature has continued to climb at the same steady pace.
Where’s the ice?
It has undergone a change of state. The whole assemblage of crystalline water has crossed a threshold. It now flows according to a different set of principles.
I can’t imagine a single so-called “centrist opinion” on our current politics that wouldn’t have to admit that Trump has overseen the ‘slow and steady rise in temperature in our political milieu’. I think he’s cranked up the thermostat, but let’s leave that kind of bickering to the side for the moment and just appreciate that we’ve probably crossed a threshold (but, for the record, I’ll happily tell the long story of corruption in American politics that goes back at least 40 years, as this thought experiment acknowledges). But things are different now. There’s very little value in scapegoating or any cynical opinion that refuses to acknowledge difference.
@RandyForRubio
imagine a small sheet of ice covering a flat stone. The temperature outside is 25 degrees Fahrenheit, but the temperature has been slowly rising for the past twenty years and will continue to do so.
Fast-forward twenty more years. The temperature outside is now 31 degrees Fahrenheit, and the sheet of ice is still there on the flat stone, essentially the same. All the evidence suggests that there’s been a slow and steady rise in temperature during the past twenty years—and that the ice has remained ice, and moved as ice moves.
Fast-forward 3 more years. The temperature outside is now 34-degrees outside. The temperature has continued to climb at the same steady pace.
Where’s the ice?
It has undergone a change of state. The whole assemblage of crystalline water has crossed a threshold. It now flows according to a different set of principles.
I can’t imagine a single so-called “centrist opinion” on our current politics that wouldn’t have to admit that Trump has overseen the ‘slow and steady rise in temperature in our political milieu’. I think he’s cranked up the thermostat, but let’s leave that kind of bickering to the side for the moment and just appreciate that we’ve probably crossed a threshold (but, for the record, I’ll happily tell the long story of corruption in American politics that goes back at least 40 years, as this thought experiment acknowledges). But things are different now. There’s very little value in scapegoating or any cynical opinion that refuses to acknowledge difference.
@RandyForRubio
NAOS
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But let’s also acknowledge how even if Trump’s administration hasn’t been exceedingly more corrupt than other administrations in the last 40 years, then at the very least the corruptions have been exceedingly more public in nature. That’s a difference that matters.
But, again, all take the position that it has, in fact, been more corrupt—in ways that have reached the public and likely in many ways that haven’t.
But, again, all take the position that it has, in fact, been more corrupt—in ways that have reached the public and likely in many ways that haven’t.
Red
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Here’s an outlook, from a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist. Not that that makes his points more valid, but I mention it because, quite frankly, this is about as dark an outlook for America’s future as it gets. I lean in his direction, and I probably have for a lot of years. But whatever idealism I do retain would prefer some hope. Ain’t much of that in this essay, but it’s a point of view, with some truth to it, methinks...
scheerpost.com
Chris Hedges: America’s Death March
Regardless of the outcome, the election will not stop the rise of hypernationalism, crisis cults and other signs of an empire’s terminal decline.
scheerpost.com