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magic said:
I don't have to know your political affiliation because the Republican and Democratic positions on those topics that you mentioned hasn't changed in the last 4 years. So people voting on those topics will vote the same way. I'll reiterate, the pandemic is likely going to be the number #1 reason for changes in swing votes.

Regarding your Sweden post, you go on thinking 5,938 deaths out of a 10.23M population is bad. And even that number, which is already not bad, has explanations to why the handling is better now. Again, we can look at the actual covid numbers to see that deaths have remained level since basically the end of July: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

The argument in the beginning was flatten the curve, but now that it's been flattened, the narrative has changed to "make covid deaths zero or else you are a bad person!!!!!1". Ridiculous.

It is a fact that Joe Biden said he was running for US senate at a rally. It is a fact that Joe Biden recently said he was running against "George". Yet to you this seems to be describing Trump. You clearly have your head stuck up your ***.

Also, idk why I'm wasting my time arguing with people here. People's minds are set and they will interpret facts however they want to support their narrative. I'm out.
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I see you talking about stupid things Biden said. He did say stupid things.
You should give the ol' trumpster a Google and see what stupid things he says.

They are both old dudes that say stupid things and shouldn't be president.

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Catchall said:
Cases spiked in Utah County when BYU started. I do think that's a factor. Younger people aren't social distancing.
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Agreed. And I don't really blame them. I remember what it was like to be young. Pretty sure I would be saying "**** it" about covid.
Hell, I'm pretty cavalier about it at current older age

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magic said:
I don't have to know your political affiliation because the Republican and Democratic positions on those topics that you mentioned hasn't changed in the last 4 years. So people voting on those topics will vote the same way. I'll reiterate, the pandemic is likely going to be the number #1 reason for changes in swing votes.

Regarding your Sweden post, you go on thinking 5,938 deaths out of a 10.23M population is bad. And even that number, which is already not bad, has explanations to why the handling is better now. Again, we can look at the actual covid numbers to see that deaths have remained level since basically the end of July: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

The argument in the beginning was flatten the curve, but now that it's been flattened, the narrative has changed to "make covid deaths zero or else you are a bad person!!!!!1". Ridiculous.

It is a fact that Joe Biden said he was running for US senate at a rally. It is a fact that Joe Biden recently said he was running against "George". Yet to you this seems to be describing Trump. You clearly have your head stuck up your ***.

Also, idk why I'm wasting my time arguing with people here. People's minds are set and they will interpret facts however they want to support their narrative. I'm out.
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What's funny is that last paragraph describes you to a T. You ignore Trump's lies, racism, lack of any morality, but everyone against him are just blinded by Senile Joe.
 
magic said:
You would fall under the category of people who vote for the same party regardless of who's running.



Yeah lets instead go with a lying, hypocritical candidate who can't even remember who he's running against or even what office he is running for. GTFO
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My goodness, you are swinging wildly and missing your targets badly. I’m sorry you’re in so much pain.
 
One good thing about if Trump were to win is that he might command his supporters to get the covid vaccine when its available and they would follow his command even if they were antivaxers. Thus helping to decrease the effect covid has on our lives.
If Biden wins then its going to be harder to beat covid back because many antivaxers and conspiracy theorists will not get the vaccine due to being afraid of bill gates or the deep state using the vaccine to track them or something.
 
This forum is going to be fun yet borderline uncontrollable after Biden wins. We will see how many people can disassociate conspiracy theories from realities.

Is it really that hard to believe people just don’t like Trump? Or the fact that our country is a shatshow?
 
Avery said:
This forum is going to be fun yet borderline uncontrollable after Biden wins. We will see how many people can disassociate conspiracy theories from realities.

Is it really that hard to believe people just don’t like Trump? Or the fact that our country is a shatshow?
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Biden had a few gaffes, doe. Totally disqualified him as an alternative, don’t ya know. Also, “teh media”.
 
I dont like how China handled the pandemic early. But they are really doing a great job now. Its too bad other countries dont do what they do to get it under control. The borders are now open in China but you have to be tested to enter the country and you have to do a 2 week quarantine once you are in. If there is any outbreaks in an area they test the entire city. They just did this in Qingdao, a city of 9 million. They didnt close anything or shut anything down. They tested everyone and quarantined the sick over the course of 3 days. I dont know why the USA cant do this and get back to relative normal. The USA has more money than any other country and their populations are no where near China.

Its pretty sad that USA never instituted any type of quarantine for incoming international travelers, especially from high risk places. The funny thing is that Trump still has a ban on Chinese people from coming in. Although I just met with one of the largest providers for ventilators in the world and they are having to travel to the USA a lot. I felt bad for the guy, he has had to take 4 trips to the USA over the last few months. Every time he comes back he has to do a 2 week quarantine. China now makes you have both types of tests if you are coming from the USA within 48 hours of your flight, which is very hard to do. A lot of places arent getting you your results that fast, which is also crazy.

Here if you want a test you can go to any hospital and without insurance it costs about $10 and takes 4 hours to get the results back.
 
The Thriller said:
excellent find. Totally dispels the ridiculous argument that “both sides are the same.” One of our major parties has moved far into extremist illiberal positions. One party clearly doesn’t want to play this game of democracy anymore. One party is embracing authoritarianism.

This 2020 election is yes about policy. But More than that, it’s an election about whether we even want a democracy anymore. Democratic socialists, moderate Dems, and never trump conservatives should unite. We can argue about what the appropriate level of taxation should be once this crisis passes. Trump and the GOP must be defeated.
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“It will only get worse. According to author Ezra Klein: “By 2040, 70% of Americans will live in the 15 largest states. That means 70% of America will be represented by only 30 senators, while the other 30% of America will be represented by 70 senators.”
www.theguardian.com

A win for Joe Biden would only scratch the surface of America’s afflictions | John Mulholland

Donald Trump has inflicted misery on his country, but its problems do not stem from the past four years alone; they run centuries deep
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Ron Mexico said:
I dont like how China handled the pandemic early. But they are really doing a great job now. Its too bad other countries dont do what they do to get it under control. The borders are now open in China but you have to be tested to enter the country and you have to do a 2 week quarantine once you are in. If there is any outbreaks in an area they test the entire city. They just did this in Qingdao, a city of 9 million. They didnt close anything or shut anything down. They tested everyone and quarantined the sick over the course of 3 days. I dont know why the USA cant do this and get back to relative normal. The USA has more money than any other country and their populations are no where near China.

Its pretty sad that USA never instituted any type of quarantine for incoming international travelers, especially from high risk places. The funny thing is that Trump still has a ban on Chinese people from coming in. Although I just met with one of the largest providers for ventilators in the world and they are having to travel to the USA a lot. I felt bad for the guy, he has had to take 4 trips to the USA over the last few months. Every time he comes back he has to do a 2 week quarantine. China now makes you have both types of tests if you are coming from the USA within 48 hours of your flight, which is very hard to do. A lot of places arent getting you your results that fast, which is also crazy.

Here if you want a test you can go to any hospital and without insurance it costs about $10 and takes 4 hours to get the results back.
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4 hours? My brother in Utah had to take a test for a surgery. It took him 4 days of waiting to hear back, didn’t get a response, so then he called them and they told him that they had lost his test. The surgeon just decided to screw it and performed the surgery to correct his deviated septum.

but sure, we have the best health care system in the world...

As someone involved in education, I can tell you that in Utah it’s taking days not hours, for students and educators to get test results back. Without strict quarantining and mask enforcement, that’s one of the reasons why it’s spreading out of control here.
 
The Thriller said:
4 hours? My brother in Utah had to take a test for a surgery. It took him 4 days of waiting to hear back, didn’t get a response, so then he called them and they told him that they had lost his test. The surgeon just decided to screw it and performed the surgery to correct his deviated septum.

but sure, we have the best health care system in the world...

As someone involved in education, I can tell you that in Utah it’s taking days not hours, for students and educators to get test results back. Without strict quarantining and mask enforcement, that’s one of the reasons why it’s spreading out of control here.
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Took 5 days for one of my co workers


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fishonjazz said:
Took 5 days for one of my co workers


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Did he stay at home until he got his test result?

That’s another problem. People waiting for their test results don’t get their bills put on pause. A competent administration would’ve provided financial aid for workers waiting for tests or forced into quarantine. It’s too much to ask someone to miss work for a virus that may kill them for a situation that is guaranteed to kill them financially.

5 ****ing days. Unreal. But sure, our health care system is so amazing
 
The Thriller said:
4 hours? My brother in Utah had to take a test for a surgery. It took him 4 days of waiting to hear back, didn’t get a response, so then he called them and they told him that they had lost his test. The surgeon just decided to screw it and performed the surgery to correct his deviated septum.

but sure, we have the best health care system in the world...

As someone involved in education, I can tell you that in Utah it’s taking days not hours, for students and educators to get test results back. Without strict quarantining and mask enforcement, that’s one of the reasons why it’s spreading out of control here.
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I posted this in the wrong thread, oh well. That's crazy to take that long.

It's crazy to see the differences in health care between USA and China. Some of the things are much better here, some are much worse.
 
The realities of the testing process in the USA is ****ing chock full of smoking guns. All signs point to near total abdication of executive responsibility; and then there’s all the clamor of separate moments of responsibilization further down leadership structures. A lot of people have done remarkable work, but, in general, it’s been a chicken with the head cut off.
 
The Thriller said:
Did he stay at home until he got his test result?

That’s another problem. People waiting for their test results don’t get their bills put on pause. A competent administration would’ve provided financial aid for workers waiting for tests or forced into quarantine. It’s too much to ask someone to miss work for a virus that may kill them for a situation that is guaranteed to kill them financially.

5 ****ing days. Unreal. But sure, our health care system is so amazing
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Ya he stayed home. Our company is really good about covid. He got paid while waiting for the results at home.

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