2022 NBA Draft Thread: We Going to Have a Pick! (lmao jk)

[KqWIN]

I am no expert, but I read this mostly as “until he is Rose, he isn’t.”

I also think Rose is probably the weakest MVP of this century by a lot and that most of his ability came down to how explosive he was. I was never impressed by his vision and his shooting was always shaky. His defense was also pretty disappointing for his size and athleticism (though the argument that his burden on offense was too much isn’t the worst argument).

I guess a lot of this comes down to how one sees Rose.

When you’re talking about an all time great player (that’s how his career started), yeah that’s fair reasoning. Whether or not he deserved that MVP, he was as an incredible player. Very few players should be assumed greatness. When something exceptional happens, there shouldn’t be an automatic assumption that it happens again. If that was true, there would be a million Gobert’s, Mitchell’s, Kawhi’s, and Booker’s walking around the league.

That’s also not the only argument I had, no idea why you chose to blatantly ignore the rest. At the very you’ve got to come up with better reasoning why Ivey is a shoe in to be an all time great player and become the exception. He’s bigger than Rose and played against tougher competition (which doesn’t actually mean anything as far as how good he is). Is that it?

He’s not even the same type of player like I said. They are both very athletic…ok. What else is a comparison? And what if we apply that logic to other comparisons. Can you tell me why Zach Edey isn’t Joel Embiid?

 

[NUMBERICA]

When you’re talking about an all time great player (that’s how his career started), yeah that’s fair reasoning. Whether or not he deserved that MVP, he was as an incredible player. Very few players should be assumed greatness. When something exceptional happens, there shouldn’t be an automatic assumption that it happens again. If that was true, there would be a million Gobert’s, Mitchell’s, Kawhi’s, and Booker’s walking around the league.

That’s also not the only argument I had, no idea why you chose to blatantly ignore the rest. At the very you’ve got to come up with better reasoning why Ivey is a shoe in to be an all time great player and become the exception. He’s bigger than Rose and played against tougher competition (which doesn’t actually mean anything as far as how good he is). Is that it?

He’s not even the same type of player like I said. They are both very athletic…ok. What else is a comparison? And what if we apply that logic to other comparisons. Can you tell me why Zach Edey isn’t Joel Embiid?

I don’t know who Zach Edey is.

Most of what I saw with Rose was a tier-1 athlete that played with reckless abandon. I was never blown away by his skill outside of his work around the rim. He became a more skilled player over time but it never came anywhere close to making up for what he lost in his athleticism. What he has done since with his average (not sub-par) athleticism speaks to him not being an incredibly skilled NBA basketball player.

 

[KqWIN]

I don’t know who Zach Edey is.

Most of what I saw with Rose was a tier-1 athlete that played with reckless abandon. I was never blown away by his skill outside of his work around the rim. He became a more skilled player over time but it never came anywhere close to making up for what he lost in his athleticism.

Not every tier 1 athlete who plus with reckless abandon turns into Derrick Rose. Not all of them turn into starters. There’s a big difference between Rose and Kris Dunn….both would fit under that description. There are even large differences between guys like Wall and Fox.

You don’t know who Zach Edey is because this shallow method of large generalizations isn’t a real way to project prospects.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Not every tier 1 athlete who plus with reckless abandon turns into Derrick Rose. Not all of them turn into starters. There’s a big difference between Rose and Kris Dunn….both would fit under that description. There are even large differences between guys like Wall and Fox.

You don’t know who Zach Edey is because this shallow method of large generalizations isn’t a real way to project prospects.

Bro what.. you need to stop lmao. Kris Dunn? How does he fit under that description?

Zach Edey is not Embiid because literally all Edey can do is post moves. He can’t shoot, create, or play make like Embiid at all. How is that even a good analogy?

Kris Dunn was a senior who was more of creator and defender that was his big upside coming out of college.

Did you watch Jaden Ivey play this year? How can you not come away thinking he played like Rose/Morant?

 

[KqWIN]

Bro what.. you need to stop lmao. Kris Dunn? How does he fit under that description?

Zach Edey is not Embiid because literally all Edey can do is post moves. He can’t shoot, create, or play make like Embiid at all. How is that even a good analogy?

Kris Dunn was a senior who was more of creator and defender that was his big upside coming out of college.

Did you watch Jaden Ivey play this year? How can you not come away thinking he played like Rose/Morant?

The description was tier one athlete who plays with reckless abandon. That is Kris Dunn. The point is that they are still nothing alike as players.

That is the same point being made for Edey. He had better production than Embiid. He’s also bigger. Does not mean a damn thing because they are nothing similar.

If these are the only things being used to compare players you’ll find yourself making silly comparisons.

It’s one thing to say that he plays like Derrick Rose, a different thing to say he “is Derrick Rose” meaning the same caliber of player. In this case, Ivey doesn’t play the same and I’m willing to bet he won’t be the youngest ever MVP of all time. Ivey is not a league guard, not yet anyways. Rose was already that player. There were no questions if Rose could be a lead ball handler. To play like Rose/Morant, Ivey would have to play a much different role than he did at Purdue.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Derrick Rose won an MVP and so did Russell Westbrook. What does that really mean in the grand scheme of things?

@KqWIN do you know what Rose’s stats were pre-injury? Donovan’s stats compare favorably to Rose.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Kris Dunn was a facilitator and a lockdown defender. That is quite the opposite of an athlete playing with reckless abandon.

 

[KqWIN]

Derrick Rose won an MVP and so did Russell Westbrook. What does that really mean in the grand scheme of things?

@KqWIN do you know what Rose’s stats were pre-injury? Donovan’s stats compare favorably to Rose.

And so that means Ivey is also a lock to be an MVP? Got it.

 

[KqWIN]

Kris Dunn was a facilitator and a lockdown defender. That is quite the opposite of an athlete playing with reckless abandon.

Morant was the best facilitator in college basketball and didn’t play defense. Ivey is a high energy defense who was a combo guard and struggled with decision making. But sure, they are the same player.

 

[Elizah Huge]

And so that means Ivey is also a lock to be an MVP? Got it.

I don’t think anyone on here said he was a lock to be an MVP.

 

[KqWIN]

I don’t think anyone on here said he was a lock to be an MVP.

“I don’t see why he’s not Derrick Rose”. That’s what we’re talking about lmao.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I am no expert, but I read this mostly as “until he is Rose, he isn’t.”

I also think Rose is probably the weakest MVP of this century by a lot and that most of his ability came down to how explosive he was. I was never impressed by his vision and his shooting was always shaky. His defense was also pretty disappointing for his size and athleticism (though the argument that his burden on offense was too much isn’t the worst argument).

I guess a lot of this comes down to how one sees Rose.

I think straight player to player comps are so tough. Can I see elements of Rose and Morant in open court. He's not near the passer those guys are. I think there is reason to believe he could be a player at Donovan's level at some point and some of the physical attributes are very helpful.