Right.The point still stands... if Ivey becomes toward the higher end of his median outcome we'd be good.
Right.The point still stands... if Ivey becomes toward the higher end of his median outcome we'd be good.
Baseline? Just threw a name out there that others that know a lot more than me throw out there. c h i l l
You're a crazy person for reacting like I ****ed your mom. But yeah, my bad for being loose with language on a message board literally talking about a game.That is precisely what “I don’t know how he’s not xxxx” means. Unless I’m mistaken? Does that somehow translate to his maximum potential?
If I’m a crazy person for pointing out a ridiculous statement so be it.
You're a crazy person for reacting like I ****ed your mom. But yeah, my bad for being loose with language on a message board literally talking about a game.
They gave up an unprotected first in 2027The Nuggets traded Green for a 1st round pick? We should get about 6 picks for Donovan then
You alright?My bad for responding to a question about basketball on basketball forum. I won’t respond if you are too sensitive to receive the answer to your question.
No... I am saying the upper end of his ceiling looks more like those types of players. Rose is a tricky one. He was basically pg version of Lebron before the injuries.
I think Ivey can be very good and I see why someone would say Rose/Morant because when they get downhill they are amazing. I think Ivey has some of that... but its why I don't love straight player to player comps because they are all different enough that its easy to poke holes.
Maybe my problem is less that I forgot who Rose was and more that I thought he was overrated at the time (which isn't to say he was dog **** or anything, he was obviously great but the hype and accolades seemed over-the-top to me).Ironically, as a prospect Ivey compares more favorably to RWB. Stylistically he is more similar, although it is still crazy to expect that type of development out of anyone. Exceptions are exceptions for a reason.
I honestly think the Morant comparison comes from the same hair….Rose, I think people just forgot who he was.
Maybe my problem is less that I forgot who Rose was and more that I thought he was overrated at the time (which isn't to say he was dog **** or anything, he was obviously great but the hype and accolades seemed over-the-top to me).
But again, in any case, if you throw all of these names in a pot and Ivey's belongs in it then that's a damn fine prospect.
If we traded for #4....I think I'm more privy to Mathurin. He's very young for his class, and I believe in his ceiling/floor more than Ivey. Can't get enough guys who are 6'6, athletic, play hard, and can shoot. I really believe in his shot....not sure I can say the same about Ivey and I don't think I could stomach the risk of taking Sharpe. I'd also throw Keegan Murray (I think he's being underrated) and maybe even Dyson Daniels in the same tier. I'd probably go:
Mathurin
Murray
Ivey
Daniels
Maybe... but Sacramento has botched this before... Like if you really like Bagley then trade back... especially because Dallas was sitting right there offering stuff to Atlanta. I can see them opting for Mathurin instead of Ivey just for fit. I think Ivey goes 4th but I think Sharpe is sliding and I could see Detroit going Mathurin over Murray. Supposedly Mathurin is rising and is killing the interviews.No way in hell do you take Mathurin top-4. You’d trade down a couple spots if he’s the target.
Maybe... but Sacramento has botched this before... Like if you really like Bagley then trade back... especially because Dallas was sitting right there offering stuff to Atlanta. I can see them opting for Mathurin instead of Ivey just for fit. I think Ivey goes 4th but I think Sharpe is sliding and I could see Detroit going Mathurin over Murray. Supposedly Mathurin is rising and is killing the interviews.
After 3 there isn't too much that would surprise me.
I mean if Ivey is the consensus #4 I’m not sure we can say Mathurin isn’t that good. I think the difference between them isn’t huge and I would not be shocked if he became the better player. I’d take Ivey but it’s not ridiculous at all.Yeah.. no thanks. He’s not that good. Nothing will ever shock me in the draft though.
I mean if Ivey is the consensus #4 I’m not sure we can say Mathurin isn’t that good. I think the difference between them isn’t huge and I would not be shocked if he became the better player. I’d take Ivey but it’s not ridiculous at all.