Do you Fes haters understand that a big boxing out properly most likely won't get a rebound? This is why Fes doesn't have boxscore figures you love.
Really? Malone got tons of rebounds in his time. Do you mean to say he rarely boxed out?
Do you Fes haters understand that a big boxing out properly most likely won't get a rebound? This is why Fes doesn't have boxscore figures you love.
Really? Malone got tons of rebounds in his time. Do you mean to say he rarely boxed out?
Al Jefferson career TRB per 36 = 10.6
Karl Malone career TRB per 36 = 9.8
Apparently, it didn't help him much.
Malone's career is almost 19 years. Jefferson's is barely 7 years as of now.One played PF entirely, another is playing center.
Anyways, the main point remains. Did Malone box out or not? If he did, then how come he averaged that many rebounds?
If you just watch the game you'll understand that boxing out and rebounding are'nt mutually exclusive.
Fesenko DOESN'T block shots, and DOESN'T rebound. Jefferson, who has shown to be a pretty bad defensive rebounder this year, has a better defense rebounding rate than Fesenko. Jefferson also blocks shots at a better rate than Fesenko. I'll give you the fact that he alters shots, but half of those are because he's slapping the shooter on the wrist, or head. Basically, fouling weakly.
Anyways, the main point remains. Did Malone box out or not? If he did, then how come he averaged that many rebounds?
If you just watch the game you'll understand that boxing out and rebounding are'nt mutually exclusive.
Matter of pace and missed shots. And you're doing total rebounds, which includes offensive rebounds. Malone had a career defensive rebounding rate of 23.5, ranging from 19.6 to 27.2. What rebounding rate means is that Malone rebounded 23.5 of opponent's missed shots. Fesenko's career rate is currently 17.9, with his career high being this year at 19.6. Basically, Fesenko, in his best year, is rebounding at a rate equal to Malone's worst year ever rebounding. Malone never was below 24% in the nineties, save the one strike shortened year. In essence, the difference in their rebounding is that Malone rebounds every fourth miss, and Fesenko rebounds every fifth miss. That's significant.Fesenko's career rebounds per 36 is 8.7. Only one less per 36 than Malone's 9.8.
I haven't just watched. I played 4 at school so I kind of know how it happens sometimes. They are not mutually exclusive for sure but if you box out your man properly on each and every shot most likely you gonna lose some rebounds to your teammates that would be yours if you would hunt these balls down instead of boxing out. Most common pattern is midrange jumper short bouncing off the rim to the sidelines. If you box out these would be most likely picked up by guards.
I haven't just watched. I played 4 at school so I kind of know how it happens sometimes. They are not mutually exclusive for sure but if you box out your man properly on each and every shot most likely you gonna lose some rebounds to your teammates that would be yours if you would hunt these balls down instead of boxing out. Most common pattern is midrange jumper short bouncing off the rim to the sidelines. If you box out these would be most likely picked up by guards.
are you saying that Fes boxes out so well, that all the rebounds end up with our guards?
Hmm...according to Zbone, boxing out deflates stats, but doesn't mean guards get any more boards. Those rebounds disappear when Fesenko boxes out then.
And, of course, it's not Fesenko's fault the Jazz don't rebound any different when he's in the game than when he's not.
I'd like to see how Fes plays when he STARTS over the course of several games. Usually in the past when the Jazz were decimated with injuries and Fes was forced to start, he gave us some good minutes. The guy CAN play; we just need to figure out how to get his head in the game with consistancy! If he fails at this, I wouldn't re-sign him next season...
Yeah; too often our non-bigs just watch a ball go out of bounds instead of running to get it. That ain't gonna cut it, as the ref may have seen the play differently than the player...
All those missed FT's came back to bite us too; gotta rebound and hit FT's when on the road, dang it!!!!
Offensive rebounds are overrated.
Worst offensive rebounding team in the NBA = Boston
Best Defensive team in the NBA = Boston
It's all about transition defense baby.