What's new

America is great and everything is NOT Pres. Trump's fault thread

of course you dont understand.

in USA you have freedom of speech, and unlike popular believe their is no such thing as hate speech. in the EU it is different. but if the trend continues with this "belief" that their is such a thing a shate speech. if the left has it's way it will be a thing.

in a true republic. you do not get to vote on how i use my vocal cords. you do not get to vote to force me to spend money on healthcare. you do not get to vote to take my money to educate people with my money on your beliefs that go counter against mine! that is the definition of authoritarian. i am minding my own business and you are infringing on me! that is what eventually every government grows into!


and when you impose hate speech laws. you are hiding the truth from me.

take for example you have a nieghbour he is a national socialist, and he wants to plant his national socialist flag he bought with HIS money, With his labor and plant in on HIS property! as a jew who lost 8 branches of my family tree in the holocaust i dont want to see that flag. but my neighbour can plant that flag on his property all he wants. maybe i will build a higher wall.
if he is not allowed to plant them(in usa you can have nazi flags, in eu you can not under special reggulation like museums movie studios etc are allowed) he will still be a naiotnal socialist. but i will never know. so not only did the governemtn(aka the voters) decide to take away rights of my nieghbour. they also took my right away from knowing the turh about my neighbour.

there is this grey area call to action.
for example me and 5 friends talking and planning to rob a bank. maybe we are joking maybe it is a thought excercise maybe it is a real plan. nothing can be done. but the moment 1 starts laying his hand on the guns, 1 the getaway car. 1 on blueprints for the bank. then maybe it's time to put them on trial.

so in short my neighbour should be able to plant his nationalist socialist flag. but when he gets to gether and start building an oven. investigate why he is building the oven. maybe it;'s just a microwvae for drying wood. maybe he ha splans to throw my jew *** into it.

the way the democrats see democracy is sadly the authoritroian way our way when we have majority and in peach orange man when it goes against them.
I don't want to insult you, DJ, but you're awfully arrogant to say I don't understand. You can't even write a coherent sentence. I have a difficult time understanding what you are saying because the logic doesn't follow precisely. The first amendment allows freedom of speech so long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others, like inciting people to kill other people, like the big a-hole in the Oval Office, where the toilets are now deep and the cesspools create the most obnoxious odors in American history
 
I don't want to insult you, DJ, but you're awfully arrogant to say I don't understand. You can't even write a coherent sentence. I have a difficult time understanding what you are saying because the logic doesn't follow precisely. The first amendment allows freedom of speech so long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others, like inciting people to kill other people, like the big a-hole in the Oval Office, where the toilets are now deep and the cesspools create the most obnoxious odors in American history

Did you read my reply Joe Bags ... Alan Greenspan himself stated that this wasn't the cause.

All you doubters and lovers of Trump, please read: Who Stole the American Dream by Hedrick Smith. Below is the URL. For some reason the site is not formatting the link but showing a blank space. Won't even let me post the link so I'll have to be creative:

h t t p s: // www.amazon dot com/Stole-American-Dream-Hedrick-Smith/ dp/ 0812982053

It is extremely well-documented. He wasn't making this up or spouting theories based on his intuition like Herr Meister Trump.
 
I don't want to insult you, DJ, but you're awfully arrogant to say I don't understand. You can't even write a coherent sentence. I have a difficult time understanding what you are saying because the logic doesn't follow precisely. The first amendment allows freedom of speech so long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others, like inciting people to kill other people, like the big a-hole in the Oval Office, where the toilets are now deep and the cesspools create the most obnoxious odors in American history
sorry oi wa snot born with an american or english spoon up my ***?
English is not my first language. not my second language. not my 3rd language it is actually my 4th. show me how you communicate in your 4th language if it is better then how i can communicate in my 4th language, you get to criticize it! especially if you "speak" 8 languages
i say "speak" because i can understand Portuguese, but i am turrible in speaking it. but can get around a Portuguese country fine! once you know Spanish Portuguese is easy

now to the argument/.
if i wave a Nazi flag it does not infringe on your rights? on what right does it infringe. you don't have a right to no be offended.
if i am singing along to a rap song blasting out the n word what right does it infringe on(assuming i am not blasting it at 130db when i literally start puncturing your eardrum)
tell me what right do my words infringe on. i am waiting!


Freedom of speech only works if there are no stupid hate speech things attached
 
sorry oi wa snot born with an american or english spoon up my ***?
English is not my first language. not my second language. not my 3rd language it is actually my 4th. show me how you communicate in your 4th language if it is better then how i can communicate in my 4th language, you get to criticize it! especially if you "speak" 8 languages
i say "speak" because i can understand Portuguese, but i am turrible in speaking it. but can get around a Portuguese country fine! once you know Spanish Portuguese is easy

now to the argument/.
if i wave a Nazi flag it does not infringe on your rights? on what right does it infringe. you don't have a right to no be offended.
if i am singing along to a rap song blasting out the n word what right does it infringe on(assuming i am not blasting it at 130db when i literally start puncturing your eardrum)
tell me what right do my words infringe on. i am waiting!


Freedom of speech only works if there are no stupid hate speech things attached
If you want to wave a flag and say you're ok with the Holocaust, more power to you, but it suggests you also have no problem with wholesale murder. You're right, you have more versatile literacy than me. But you know there is such a thing as basic human decency and those examples you gave are examples of extreme indecency and ignorance.
 
What do you think of the video I just posted, JB? Should we be praising Trump for the economy instead? Can we praise Trump in light of what the gentleman said?
Someone makes a thread about what's positive in the world. You drop in and take **** after **** and expect me to eat it? No thanks.
 
Someone makes a thread about what's positive in the world. You drop in and take **** after **** and expect me to eat it? No thanks.
How can you say anything positive about Trump? You need another topic to do that. Judging by his actions, he is pure evil: separating small children from their parents, and now he wants to shoots people in the Caravan, half of whom are kids. That doesn't say anything about the fact that almost everything he says is a lie.
 
How can you say anything positive about Trump? You need another topic to do that. Judging by his actions, he is pure evil: separating small children from their parents, and now he wants to shoots people in the Caravan, half of whom are kids. That doesn't say anything about the fact that almost everything he says is a lie.
You missed the purpose of the thread then. The purpose was to acknowledge the positive that still exists and not use this thread to throw blame around. It's not going to be perfect but it would be better if everyone at least tried to play along. Feel free to start another thread titled "everything that is trump's fault". It will likely be much longer than this one.
 
You missed the purpose of the thread then. The purpose was to acknowledge the positive that still exists and not use this thread to throw blame around. It's not going to be perfect but it would be better if everyone at least tried to play along. Feel free to start another thread titled "everything that is trump's fault". It will likely be much longer than this one.
Yes, I did, but the OP should've used something else rather than Trump as the barometer ... it's hard to find anything positive with him as President. Some people say their job situation improved. But that likely has nothing to do with Trump.
 
Someone makes a thread about what's positive in the world.

This isnt exactly true.
He made a thread about whats positive about trump and what trump has done. Im quite certain the thread wasnt made with good intentions. The thread went exactly how he wanted it to go im guessing.
 
You missed the purpose of the thread then. The purpose was to acknowledge the positive that still exists and not use this thread to throw blame around.

I disagree.
 
of course you dont understand.

in USA you have freedom of speech, and unlike popular believe their is no such thing as hate speech. in the EU it is different. but if the trend continues with this "belief" that their is such a thing a shate speech. if the left has it's way it will be a thing.

in a true republic. you do not get to vote on how i use my vocal cords. you do not get to vote to force me to spend money on healthcare. you do not get to vote to take my money to educate people with my money on your beliefs that go counter against mine! that is the definition of authoritarian. i am minding my own business and you are infringing on me! that is what eventually every government grows into!


and when you impose hate speech laws. you are hiding the truth from me.

take for example you have a nieghbour he is a national socialist, and he wants to plant his national socialist flag he bought with HIS money, With his labor and plant in on HIS property! as a jew who lost 8 branches of my family tree in the holocaust i dont want to see that flag. but my neighbour can plant that flag on his property all he wants. maybe i will build a higher wall.
if he is not allowed to plant them(in usa you can have nazi flags, in eu you can not under special reggulation like museums movie studios etc are allowed) he will still be a naiotnal socialist. but i will never know. so not only did the governemtn(aka the voters) decide to take away rights of my nieghbour. they also took my right away from knowing the turh about my neighbour.

there is this grey area call to action.
for example me and 5 friends talking and planning to rob a bank. maybe we are joking maybe it is a thought excercise maybe it is a real plan. nothing can be done. but the moment 1 starts laying his hand on the guns, 1 the getaway car. 1 on blueprints for the bank. then maybe it's time to put them on trial.

so in short my neighbour should be able to plant his nationalist socialist flag. but when he gets to gether and start building an oven. investigate why he is building the oven. maybe it;'s just a microwvae for drying wood. maybe he ha splans to throw my jew *** into it.

the way the democrats see democracy is sadly the authoritroian way our way when we have majority and in peach orange man when it goes against them.
There is so much right with this post. I know people around here despise Dutch, and I agree he can be a lot to handle at times, but if there are people who disagree with what he said here I'd really love to hear their reasoning.
 
There is so much right with this post. I know people around here despise Dutch, and I agree he can be a lot to handle at times, but if there are people who disagree with what he said here I'd really love to hear their reasoning.
It was difficult to understand his reasoning and I probably didn't make as much effort to do so. But I guess he is talking about tyranny of the majority, which can happen. Trouble is that the Orange Man is an insult and a danger to our country and the only ones who can't see it are very short-sighted and naive.
 
Per request of Joe Bagadonuts

in a true republic. you do not get to vote on how i use my vocal cords.

True, but you also don't get a free pass from legal, private repercussions to your speech.

you do not get to vote to force me to spend money on healthcare.

There are three choices:
1) If you don't contribute to healthcare insurance, and you get sick beyond your immediate means to pay, you die.
2) If you don't contribute to healthcare insurance, and you get sick beyond your immediate means to pay, you get treatment anyhow, and everyone else winds up paying for your healthcare.
3) You contribute to healthcare insurance.

I choose 3) as the least terrible. What's your choice?

you do not get to vote to take my money to educate people with my money on your beliefs that go counter against mine!

Yes, we do, as long as it is an accurate education. Everyone benefits from a robust public education system, so everyone contributes. Creationist don't get a veto on the biology curricula. Holocaust deniers don't get a veto on history curricula.

that is the definition of authoritarian.

That's the definition of maintaining a functioning society.
 
Yes, I did, but the OP should've used something else rather than Trump as the barometer ... it's hard to find anything positive with him as President. Some people say their job situation improved. But that likely has nothing to do with Trump.
I think they brought that up to partly say that let's not drag everything into the "it's Trump's fault" narrative. Now I definitely think both groups have spent time mucking up the thread, but I think the premise is a decent idea. There are a lot of good things in the US right now, let's talk about that maybe.
 
I thought I would start a positive thread about how well the country is doing right now and share the good things that are happening and will happen in the future.

Here are a few things to start:

RECORD 156,562,000 EMPLOYED
OCTOBER JOBS: +250K...

ECONOMY ADDING 1,000 MANUFACTURING JOBS PER DAY...

HISPANIC UNEMPLOYMENT ALL TIME LOW...

WAGE GAINS STRONGEST IN DECADE...


Record low emissions right now.

Have a great day everyone! You too liberals!

Hey Heathme, Blowme.

No thanks. Get your negativity out of here grumpy.


Trump and Congress have set up the .01-1%ers and basically ****ed everyone else. Wage growth won't even keep up with inflation. Meanwhile good luck with healthcare and cuts to Social Security, etc. The lion's share of Americans are swimming upstream. It's all a charade, ya dimwit. Not to mention the social chaos Trump hath wrought. And who gives a **** about the environment we leave for our children?

I agree with the title. America is a great and every problem is definitely not Trumps. The vasts majority of problems in this world are not Trumps fault and have nothing to do with him.

Trump is not making America great again because it already was and it keeps getting better despite him.

The world is becoming a better place slowly but surely. We are murdering less people and letting people live their lives how they want more and more. Trump is fighting the live their lives part but thats okay, it just means more people standing up for themselves and others.

I think Trump has been great for this country. He has caused more people to pay attention to politics and give a **** about things around them. More people are united and caring in spite of him and some because of him. His policies have set some stuff back but nothing that wont be undone when he is gone.

The only real thing he ****ed up badly is pushing a supreme court justice in that has a agenda and that is not what we need in that position. They should be more neutral and not someone who is going to try and push their parties agenda. But that goes both ways.

Its also weird how much we credit or blame we give the presidents for the Economy. They have very little impact on that. Yet its the main thing a lot of people judge them on. Also some of the changes they do make and the influence they do have is very delayed and often the wrong person is getting the blame or credit for the economy. The fact that we credit Clinton for how great the economy was and blame Bush is really just luck or unlucky for them.

Yes, I did, but the OP should've used something else rather than Trump as the barometer ... it's hard to find anything positive with him as President. Some people say their job situation improved. But that likely has nothing to do with Trump.

So there you have it. The very first quote by the OP and the second even, trying to kick off a positive look at the US. And what is the immediate response? Blowme. Nice. So where did defense of Trump come in? When it was the only thing being thrown around. One person, Ron, did make an attempt to stick with the premise, but everyone else just **** all over it.

And personally I did not take it to mean that the OP was saying Trump is what is positive, he merely said let's not just blame him for everything and let's talk about the good things happening in the country. If you think Trump is the barometer here then it is you choosing to measure by it. The OP never set that up.
 
So there you have it. The very first quote by the OP and the second even, trying to kick off a positive look at the US. And what is the immediate response? Blowme. Nice. So where did defense of Trump come in? When it was the only thing being thrown around. One person, Ron, did make an attempt to stick with the premise, but everyone else just **** all over it.

And personally I did not take it to mean that the OP was saying Trump is what is positive, he merely said let's not just blame him for everything and let's talk about the good things happening in the country. If you think Trump is the barometer here then it is you choosing to measure by it. The OP never set that up.

Thank you LogGrad98. I was hoping to have some semblance of positivity in this thread. First response was blowme so there you go. I leave the partisan fight for the many conservative bashing threads out there already.
 
The president has the most visible soapbox in the country. And our media, regardless of their bias, makes sure television viewers hear what the president has to say. Does he have the right to demonize the free press? The opposition party? The president claims the media is the enemy of the people, and that the media is just that because they are telling lies about him. But, if instead, they are telling the truth in simply pointing out his lies, then why should they not point out that calling the media the enemy of the people is demonizing the institution that monitors the words and behavior of our political leaders?

How is what the president is doing not a part of creating a Post Truth landscape in which large segments of the electorate will simply believe in lies and propaganda? And, in doing that to our democratic institutions, like a free press, like the opposition party, is that similar to crying fire in a crowded theater? If the president is a pathological liar, and creating an alternate reality in which the press and opposition party are enemies of America, how else can we combat that other then by pointing out again, and again, and again that that is exactly what he is doing? And if we see an uptick in violence perpetrated by white nationalists, how do we address the fact that the president of the United States seems to encourage white nationalist groups by means of his rhetoric? By simply pointing out that this is happening, we are somehow guilty of infringing on rights? Or are we instead pointing out that our president is in fact crying fire in a crowded theater?
 
The president has the most visible soapbox in the country. And our media, regardless of their bias, makes sure television viewers hear what the president has to say. Does he have the right to demonize the free press? The opposition party? The president claims the media is the enemy of the people, and that the media is just that because they are telling lies about him. But, if instead, they are telling the truth in simply pointing out his lies, then why should they not point out that calling the media the enemy of the people is demonizing the institution that monitors the words and behavior of our political leaders?

How is what the president is doing not a part of creating a Post Truth landscape in which large segments of the electorate will simply believe in lies and propaganda? And, in doing that to our democratic institutions, like a free press, like the opposition party, is that similar to crying fire in a crowded theater? If the president is a pathological liar, and creating an alternate reality in which the press and opposition party are enemies of America, how else can we combat that other then by pointing out again, and again, and again that that is exactly what he is doing? And if we see an uptick in violence perpetrated by white nationalists, how do we address the fact that the president of the United States seems to encourage white nationalist groups by means of his rhetoric? By simply pointing out that this is happening, we are somehow guilty of infringing on rights? Or are we instead pointing out that our president is in fact crying fire in a crowded theater?
I am not disputing that, not sure who is. I agree with you. I think Trump is a cancer. But I think there are a lot of threads to talk about Trump and his failure. I haven't taken anything in this thread to be full-on Trump apologetics, other than the responses from the conservatives to the criticisms of the liberals. I thought this thread was supposed to be talking about everything going right in the country. We need some positivity in this climate. Some light in the expanding darkness, if you will.
 
Top