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An Alleged 1953 UFO Crash and Burial Near Garrison, Utah

Darkwing Duck said:
The gist is analyzing one the released videos using the information on the overlay, such as the jet's altitude and speed, you can extrapolate, using simple geometry, that the UFO is the size of a bird, similar to the size of large duck or a small crane flying at about 8000 feet about the water's surface is capable of being tracked by a jet flying at 475 miles per hour at 25000 feet using a field of vision of about 600 ft to the water's surace, which is pretty damn difficult and pretty cool that they were able to pull that off and that the perception of the object moving faster than a bird would fly is simple an illusion created by parallax.
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Wrong. *thank you, George Knapp* it's impossible to track such a small object.

Btw, the object being called a bird is colder than the ocean in that video. The ocean was 65° that day.

First, you have big bird, now you have dead bird.
 
Archie Moses said:
Wrong. *thank you, George Knapp* it's impossible to track such a small object.

Btw, the object being called a bird is colder than the ocean in that video. The ocean was 65° that day.
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Why is it impossible?

Yes, something up in the sky could have a colder surface than down on the ocean. That's the point of insulation.
 
Archie Moses said:
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George Knapp and I almost certainly have one thing in common.

There was one settler of old Greenwich, Connecticut, circa 1630, with the name Knapp. Of the 15 men who signed the deal buying the land from the natives of the area, I am descended from 8 of them, in some cases more than one way. The Knapp name in America, along with names like Mead, Lockwood, Peet, are pretty much descended from that group.

So George Knapp and I are probably cousins, about 16 degrees removed, but in 100 different ways...... lol.

He still has his hair?????? It could have been a white mop, but that side of my family doesn't do bald much.

Descendants of "Old Goody Knapp", the last witch to be hanged in Greenwich. When the deed was done, one the community rushed the corpse and tore off the clothes to prove she didn't really have the tell-tale marks of the Devil on her body, shaming the crowd of accusers..... all my ancestors as well.....

I like George Knapp, but I am ashamed he is on that Crackpot to Crackpot radio show that lumps Globalist Cabals right in there with Remote Viewers, Witches, and Greys and whatnot. It's a sort of circus for the fabled ignorant masses that undermines any serious attempt to rationally develop public consensus based on truth.
 
Gameface said:
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I'm very disappointed in you this post. Usually you are one of the most perceptive and receptive people in this forum. You never just try to diss the truth, especially when it is perhaps reflective of inadequate qualified news reporting.

But how can you seriously dismiss the fantastic technology we have on board our military jets, and believe this contemptuous mockery of an officially released video. Of course our honchos would want us to believe their objectivity and truthfulness. I mean, could they possibly make up a video like this? I don't believe they can do magic, like, say, photoshop their own video, and superimpose some fake data on the "leaked" stuff to make it look fabulous. I mean, nobody but basement recluses know how to fake a video clip in any way.

And why would they want to make it look like a duck. That's racist ****.

No, the video is really a UFO. Well, to some it's a UFO. But not to me.

It is a low-altitude near miss event. You know, every now and they we have a meteor go by pretty close, and some hiker in Colorado at 13000 feet sees it zoom over the mountain he's on. Our intrepid fighter pilots actually filmed a sort of meteor. Not a rock from outer space, of course..... that would have looked pretty hot. And this was cold. Nope, it was a micro black hole. If it had actually hit the earth, we'd all be goners. So this is clearly one of the greatest near-extinction events in human history.

And so, of course, the government wants us to think it was a bird.

And the Deep State wants us to believe Fox News is just crap.

I know you will fully appreciate my analysis, and won't even do the obligatory crazed smiley on me.
 
Archie Moses said:
I'm not the expert. I'm just telling you what the experts think. No, not the armchair expert either.
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The difference between being an expert, an armchair expert, and a reporter runs something like this.

The expert knows nothing.

The armchair expert knows where he is sitting.

The reporter is lying.
 
Archie Moses said:
I'm not the expert. I'm just telling you what the experts think. No, not the armchair expert either.
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You mean, an expert in aviation technological capabilities, and a separate expert on the external temperatures that birds reach when flying at altitude, and not some armchair UFOlogist, right?
 
One Brow said:
You mean, an expert in aviation technological capabilities, and a separate expert on the external temperatures that birds reach when flying at altitude, and not some armchair UFOlogist, right?
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Yeah, that guy. People who actually fly and use these technologies and/or witnessed them are the ones saying there's no way in hell it was a bird.
 
It's absolutely a UFO. No one can positively identify it, so....
 
LogGrad98 said:
It's absolutely a UFO. No one can positively identify it, so....
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We don't do justice to the English language to use terms that miss the point so badly as UFO or UAP. "Unidentified" says more about human ignorance than anything else. What we need is a term that applies to the concept that it appears to be extraordinary somehow, or an intrusion into our world somehow.

EAP would be the good term...... extraordinary Aerial Phenomena", and with the term "IPE" or Intrusive Phenomena Event where the facts would appropriately raise that concern.

I sorta like the further terms FIPE when it's "Fake" or PIPE when it's "Political".

A further improvement in the explicit language would include "WIFE" for Witless Ignorant Fake Excitement". Not sure that acronym would evade the thorough torture of women's outrage possibly leading to my being tied to a horse and sent dragging down the highway..... But you get the idea.

"GIFT" is my final offering, for "Government Induced Fear Therapy".

The old wag "Cui Bono", or "Who does it benefit" drives the point here. Who really benefits from having a public living in ignorance and fear, scared witless with magical tales of unknown powers far beyond human capacity for resistance?

Yep, George Knapp and the whole Coast to Coast gang is likely just another of the plethora of globalist psy-ops dedicated to driving us all crazy, and making us feel like we need more and better government. WTH, why run a circus like CtoC????
 
Archie Moses said:
Yeah, that guy. People who actually fly and use these technologies and/or witnessed them are the ones saying there's no way in hell it was a bird.
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Got something less than three hours long for that, and in particular, that refutes the details of the rebuttal video?
 
Archie Moses said:
Other than suggesting Gooogle I don't really care to search it for you.
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Google is getting more and more worthless anyway.

I'm thinking I need to go to a library and find printed material that isn't actively being edited or cancelled for current political reasons.

I appreciate you posts above on this, even if I've sorta been trying to be a skeptic, for whatever reasons I can think of, off the top of my head.

I'd believe it's a duck though. Well, a goose more likely. The reasons not to believe that start with it being all alone, and flying really straight, and almost as fast as the jet.

I was listening to an astronomer talking about micro-sized black holes just yesterday, but considering that a black hole the size of a grapefruit would still have ten times the mass of the earth, it's certain it was not a black hole doing that trajectory, that near the earth. I mean, the planes would've been suck right into it. Stiff ;cars would've been sucked up into it. It'd be a super Hoover,
 
Ron Mexico said:
Thank goodness for Deep State then telling us the truth then.
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I think I was just 17 years old when I discovered Ambrose Bierce, perhaps my top fav humorist and commentator on society, politics, and religion. Yes he was a socialist, and a progressive. He went to Mexico to help with the "Revolution" there circa 1915, and was resented for his high-handed white supremacy by the local revolutionaries, and was killed somehow for being tgo damn smart.

Bierce was characteristically pointed in expressing how human beliefs and established ways were illogical and supported only by the human capacity for variance from other people's beliefs and even facts.

"Truth" in Bierce's world, was just something else, other than, what anyone really knew. But he made it fun to reflect upon.

I aspire to be like Bierce, but beyond the reach of the thugs who will have their way. And a proponent of the rights of people to believe what they wish, over any ideologue or tyrant's insistances.

And a sort of little old "church lady" persnickatively insistent of warning the lost- minded "believers" in any grand cause sufficient to induce them to lie, cheat, steal, or kill for "the cause".

I can't promise you Trump will not be a compromised desperado trying to ride the buckaroo politics of the day, but he does know we're being lied to by the "The Resistance" Press. Not to imply Fox is really all that much "better".

What should concern you is the power held by the current drivers of world Fascism. Ten to one worse than anything Trump can do. If not 1000 to 1.
 
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babe said:
I think I was just 17 years old when I discovered Ambrose Bierce, perhaps my top fav humorist and commentator on society, politics, and religion. Yes he was a socialist, and a progressive. He went to Mexico to help with the "Revolution" there circa 1915, and was resented for his high-handed white supremacy by the local revolutionaries, and was killed somehow for being tgo damn smart.

Bierce was characteristically pointed in expressing how human beliefs and established ways were illogical and supported only by the human capacity for variance from other people's beliefs and even facts.

"Truth" in Bierce's world, was just something else, other than, what anyone really knew. But he made it fun to reflect upon.

I aspire to be like Bierce, but beyond the reach of the thugs who will have their way. And a proponent of the rights of people to believe what they wish, over any ideologue or tyrant's insistances.

And a sort of little old "church lady" persnickatively insistent of warning the lost- minded "believers" in any grand cause sufficient to induce them to lie, cheat, steal, or kill for "the cause".

I can't promise you Trump will not be a compromised desperado trying to ride the buckaroo politics of the day, but he does know we're being lied to by the "The Resistance" Press. Not to imply Fox is really all that much "better".

What should concern you is the power held by the current drivers of world Fascism. Ten to one worse than anything Trump can do. If not 1000 to 1.
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I believe that you want to be different just to be different. You want to try to find alternatives to what people know.

Trump is compromised and has been most of his life. He is maybe one of the most compromised politicians we have had. Making money from guys presidency is more important than anything else he does in office.

So I guess you're antifa! That's cool, good for you! Are you at the protests or just doing what you can from your computer?
 
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