Bin Laden is dead

[PearlWatson]

What I mean by a gutsy call was invading a sovereign nation and sending in ground forces as opposed to dropping 3k lb bombs and sending cruise missles to flatten the town. Had he done the latter we prolly would have never known for sure if he was dead or not.

Prolly not.

 

[PearlWatson]

Our secret services are so twisted you've got to be stark raving mad to know what they're up to. That said, it's like this:

OSB was always an asset financed and controlled by essentially British interests. The Brits have been "dividing and conquering" the world for a long time, long before Trotsky incorporated their Machiavellian intrigues into the standard playbook for Communist Revolutionaries. MI-6 runs rings around our spyboys, as do some other intelligence outfits. We're so stupid we get played by everybody.

 

[SaltyDawg]

What I mean by a gutsy call was invading a sovereign nation and sending in ground forces as opposed to dropping 3k lb bombs and sending cruise missles to flatten the town. Had he done the latter we prolly would have never known for sure if he was dead or not. I agree, any president would have taken action.

Putting ground troops in with the possibility of them having to fight a called ally just to get out is a gutsy decision.

Not only that, but they had no actual proof he was even there. They were "pretty sure" some terrorist was there, but they weren't 100% certain of it. And they were even less sure this possible terrorist was Bin Laden.

They went in on a hunch. Saying any president would have done the same is crazy talk.

 

[Gameface]

Going into Pakistan without them knowing, without their permission, to do a special operation that could have resulted in damage to their property or people thus risking relations with that government which already has nuclear arms wasn't a gutsy call?

Are you a complete dumbass?

I get it I get it, a black demo sucks. He's black.. And demo... And black... And liberal... And black!

We should bring back Bush. We should shock and aw another country into submission and fork out another trillion dollars for it. And give more tax breaks and subsidies to oil companies. They're really struggling right now.

I think it's pretty inappropriate to imply someone is being racist when they made absolutely no reference to race in their comments. Just sayin'

 

[Duck Rodgers]

I dunno if you all are joking or conspiracy theorists or what. Neg rep'd accordingly.

It seems to me like some of our more conservative posters are having a hard time with Osama being killed during the Obama administration. I lean that way myself, but come on... give credit when it's due. Obama made a gutsy call and it was the right one!

Do you consider government a mostly honest operation?

Do you consider Obama a mostly honest person?

Do you think the CIA is truthful even 10% of the time? Actually, we don't have to go there on that one, their entire modus operandi is to lie. But I would like you to answer the first two because I think most people would give the Karl Malone, Greg Ostertag answer, "Not no, but hell no."

 

[TheDude]

I have my issues with the government just like everyone else, but I believe Obama isn't trying to hide much here in regards to Osama... He ordered an operation that successfully killed the most notorious terrorist of our time.

 

[Deleted member 365]

I think it's pretty inappropriate to imply someone is being racist when they made absolutely no reference to race in their comments. Just sayin'

And I think it's pretty inaccurate to say that the decision taken by the President and those others involved in that operation wasn't gutsy. It was hella gutsy. the only reason why anyone wouldn't at least admit that, is if they truly are racist or just hate demo Presidents. those are the only two reasons, unless LG can properly explain why he didn't find it gutsy. Their opinion, from what I can gather from this thread, must not be based on the operation itself. But on something completely unrelated, such as race or political affiliation.

Capitalist, repub, demo, commie, or tiger woods, doesn't matter. That decision took a ton of balls to make. Just imagine what would have happened had Osama not been caught, Americans were killed, and Pakistanis suffered? Had the mission been a failure, I'm sure the right wing sheep would be all over the President. they'd be having a gross love making sessions tripping over themselves on Fox bashing the President.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Furthermore, the mass hatred demonstrated by the right wing for Obama can only be explained by ignorance or racism.

Ignorance, because they fail to actually investigate the issues. They just eat whatever the right wing media feeds them. They're told he's a socialist and spending us into oblivion.

Reality? He's actually very VERY moderate and has lost a ton of support from his left wing base.

Racism? Has been prevalent from even before he was elected. Anyone else remember that old lady who said that he hated America and is a Muslim (as if that was supposed to matter?). Furthermore, one of the most influential conservative voices proclaimed that Obama had a "deep seeded hatred for white culture."

Why is America so dysfunctional? Ignorance and racism my friends. I'm surprised he's been able to do anything with the right wing wanting him to fail so bad and for shunning his left wing base.

 

[babe]

Furthermore, the mass hatred demonstrated by the right wing for Obama can only be explained by ignorance or racism.

Ignorance, because they fail to actually investigate the issues. They just eat whatever the right wing media feeds them. They're told he's a socialist and spending us into oblivion.

Reality? He's actually very VERY moderate and has lost a ton of support from his left wing base.

Racism? Has been prevalent from even before he was elected. Anyone else remember that old lady who said that he hated America and is a Muslim (as if that was supposed to matter?). Furthermore, one of the most influential conservative voices proclaimed that Obama had a "deep seeded hatred for white culture."

Why is America so dysfunctional? Ignorance and racism my friends. I'm surprised he's been able to do anything with the right wing wanting him to fail so bad and for shunning his left wing base.

I think there is at least one other way to look at it. I mean instead of "gutsy": "desperate". Obama knows his numbers. He had to do something spectacular and decisive. Sometimes boldness wins wars on the battlefield, this also won a war in the political arena.

What you term "mass hatred demonstrated by the right wing for Obama" might be an awakening realization that government has gone over the line of "Constitutional Republic" or even "democracy". Too much legislattion has been run under the cover of darkness without honest debate or even public disclosure, like, for example, the new "SuperElite Rino?/Dino? Junta" led by Obama. Looks more and more like desperate attempts by our financial institutions to act boldly, and decisively, against the will of many many American citizens. I mean, if we actually KNEW what they're doing.

Just the wrong way to try to govern Americans.

 

[YB85]

And I think it's pretty inaccurate to say that the decision taken by the President and those others involved in that operation wasn't gutsy. It was hella gutsy. the only reason why anyone wouldn't at least admit that, is if they truly are racist or just hate demo Presidents. those are the only two reasons, unless LG can properly explain why he didn't find it gutsy. Their opinion, from what I can gather from this thread, must not be based on the operation itself. But on something completely unrelated, such as race or political affiliation.

Capitalist, repub, demo, commie, or tiger woods, doesn't matter. That decision took a ton of balls to make. Just imagine what would have happened had Osama not been caught, Americans were killed, and Pakistanis suffered? Had the mission been a failure, I'm sure the right wing sheep would be all over the President. they'd be having a gross love making sessions tripping over themselves on Fox bashing the President.

Furthermore, the mass hatred demonstrated by the right wing for Obama can only be explained by ignorance or racism.

Ignorance, because they fail to actually investigate the issues. They just eat whatever the right wing media feeds them. They're told he's a socialist and spending us into oblivion.

Reality? He's actually very VERY moderate and has lost a ton of support from his left wing base.

Racism? Has been prevalent from even before he was elected. Anyone else remember that old lady who said that he hated America and is a Muslim (as if that was supposed to matter?). Furthermore, one of the most influential conservative voices proclaimed that Obama had a "deep seeded hatred for white culture."

Why is America so dysfunctional? Ignorance and racism my friends. I'm surprised he's been able to do anything with the right wing wanting him to fail so bad and for shunning his left wing base.

 

[The-Joker]

This is completely false. I myself am a muslim, and if I were to choose to switch religions there wouldnt be any sort of heritage/race ordeal; it is completely different than judaism, seeing as historically the jews are genetically linked to the two halves (i forget their names) where as muslim people stretch nationally from places like sudan to the likes of indonesia. lastly, there are minority christian populations throughout the middle east that have existed there for millenia; this would mean that "technically theyre muslim" by your definition. Islam is certainly not a nationalistic religion in any way.

What's your scriptural justification of this? I understand that you're allowed to change religions, but from what I understand the Koran states that if your father is a Muslim, you are a Muslim or something along that lines.

For the record I'm also looking for scriptural justification. I'm seeing more islamic experts in favor of that view i brought to the table. Something about the seed of Mohammed

 

[Deleted member 365]

I think there is at least one other way to look at it. I mean instead of "gutsy": "desperate". Obama knows his numbers. He had to do something spectacular and decisive. Sometimes boldness wins wars on the battlefield, this also won a war in the political arena.

What you term "mass hatred demonstrated by the right wing for Obama" might be an awakening realization that government has gone over the line of "Constitutional Republic" or even "democracy". Too much legislattion has been run under the cover of darkness without honest debate or even public disclosure, like, for example, the new "SuperElite Rino?/Dino? Junta" led by Obama. Looks more and more like desperate attempts by our financial institutions to act boldly, and decisively, against the will of many many American citizens. I mean, if we actually KNEW what they're doing.

Just the wrong way to try to govern Americans.

Huh?

I would say the wrong way to govern Americans is to go against what the majority want. Such as repubs oath to not raise any taxes. Despite the majority supporting it.