Can we just release Burke and Hayward?

[DForceAUS]

Agree. And that's one reason KOC and Lindsey have been so determined to completely clear the books of long-term contracts. Not having long-term contracts meant DL could go the direction he did this summer when asset accumulation was more important than overspending for the players who were FA's.

Stars are always going to get paid. But the new CBA is going to squeeze the next tier of players (good example is Paul Millsap). Fewer teams are going to be willing to exceed the tax limit, especially if it puts them in the classification of "repeat offender." There should be some pretty good players available every year. If a team like Utah has cap space, they can step in and outbid most others and still not "overpay" for that player. We did all right the last time Utah had a ton of cap space and brought in Boozer and Okur as FA's.

That's why I believe Lindsey shoud turn over every rock and consider letting Hayward walk...IF there is a better FA out there and IF a team steps up and offers a ton of money for Gordon. SF is the EASIEST position to replace in the NBA. And at SG, there is a star sitting on the bench who can move into the lineup.

Ran out of Rep but +1

 

[DForceAUS]

Trey is in his first year, at some point he was going to hit the wall. I hope over time he improves- I'm sure he will. A new coach next year should help.

 

[Jazz4ever]

But Hayward doesn't do any of those things exceptionally well. He definitely can't "attack,", he's an average defender, and his rebounding only looks nice because he gets 36 minutes. In fact, all his stats are horribly inflated by minutes alone.

I find his passing interesting. He can definitely pass. But there are two problems with his passing ability. One, nearly all his assists are to outside shooters, not at the basket. Two, on a team with quality players, he would handle the ball much less, and his assist numbers would come down dramatically even with the minutes.

Yes but if we were to acquire a "quality" player, it would also mean Gordon would get to shoot set shots instead of everything off the dribble. His assist rate would fall, but his TS% would jump. It's a pretty good trade off. Also don't dismiss his improved rebounding and steal rate, even adjusted per minute, its well above average for SFs in this league.

 

[Stifle Tower]

He's used as a point forward a lot of the time, that's why you see the ball in his hands.

Yes, I know. But technically he starts at SG position. So if you start Alec, Gordon has to slide to SF. And he's not very good at defending most SF's around the league. It's a liabilty that has to be considered along with his strengths? of being a "point forward" on offense.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Yes but if we were to acquire a "quality" player, it would also mean Gordon would get to shoot set shots instead of everything off the dribble. His assist rate would fall, but his TS% would jump. It's a pretty good trade off. Also don't dismiss his improved rebounding and steal rate, even adjusted per minute, its well above average for SFs in this league.

Well, his percentage can't drop much lower. I'll give you that!

But we're mixing things up here. Are we saying he's a SF and Jefferson is our SG?

 

[Doublea]

Yes, I know. But technically he starts at SG position. So if you start Alec, Gordon has to slide to SF. And he's not very good at defending most SF's around the league. It's a liabilty that has to be considered along with his strengths? of being a "point forward" on offense.

SF has always been his main position though.

 

[Stifle Tower]

SF has always been his main position though.

So he starts at SF and Jefferson is the SG? I'm confused.
I realize the two are interchangeable in the Jazz offense. But not defensively.
I guess this is kind of like the Tim Duncan debate: is he a center or is he a PF? In Hayward's case, some sites list him as a guard, some as a forward. Official Jazz site has him listed as that ambiguous "G-F" which means he swings both ways (not that there's anything wrong with that).

 

[Stifle Tower]

I think that's part of the Jazz' problem. Team needs to decide what Hayward is going to be if/when he re-signs. I'd argue that he can't handle the role they have him in right now. Jazz can decide to have Burks continue to come off the bench, in which case Lindsey needs to draft or find a SF. Or Burks can start, Hayward slides to SF on both sides of the ball and Lindsey needs another guard to come off the bench.

And IF Hayward continues to be the playmaker, replace Trey with a PG who can shoot. Why have a "pass-first" PG if that role is in the hands of a "point forward." In that case, Jazz are better off with a gunner at the PG position since Hayward is the drive and dish guy. The team concept is flawed right now and it's not benefitting Hayward, Burke or Burks.

 

[Doublea]

So he starts at SF and Jefferson is the SG? I'm confused.
I realize the two are interchangeable in the Jazz offense. But not defensively.
I guess this is kind of like the Tim Duncan debate: is he a center or is he a PF? In Hayward's case, some sites list him as a guard, some as a forward. Official Jazz site has him listed as that ambiguous "G-F" which means he swings both ways (not that there's anything wrong with that).

Burks starting bro, I could care less about Jefferson.

Hayward has the size of a 3, but also the skills of a 2.

 

[fishonjazz]

SF has always been his main position though.

I disagree

I think he SHOULD be a small forward but i think the jaz believe he is a shooting guard and have used him that way most of the time

 

[akirac73]

Gordon Hayward needs to be used more like how we used Bryon Russell back in the day. Play good D, roam the 3 point line and hit open shots. That's it.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Gordon Hayward needs to be used more like how we used Bryon Russell back in the day. Play good D, roam the 3 point line and hit open shots. That's it.

Holy **** this is the worst post ever.