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Comparable rookie years to Keyonte's. (I thought I had linked just the PER 36 min section of each player) Just look at the rookie year Per 36 min

Saint Cy of JFC said:
Everyone knows it's impossible to take picks/prospects from one trade and flip those in another trade.
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Everyone knows it takes time and we have several piles of picks we have yet turn into players.

Look... i get that you've wanted to trade Sexton since he got here. You've started almost as many nonsense threads about it as you have about THT. But you've thought his value would crater for 2 years. Advocated sending a 2027 first with Sexton for Brogdon. Keep playing the hits if you want but its a real boy who cried wolf situation at this point. "His value has peaked" several times according to you.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Everyone knows it takes time and we have several piles of picks we have yet turn into players.

Look... i get that you've wanted to trade Sexton since he got here. You've started almost as many nonsense threads about it as you have about THT. But you've thought his value would crater for 2 years. Advocated sending a 2027 first with Sexton for Brogdon. Keep playing the hits if you want but its a real boy who cried wolf situation at this point. "His value has peaked" several times according to you.
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Well at some point I'm probably going to be right. Props to Sexton for proving me extremely wrong up to this point. If he does it again, great. I get that you are trying to argue that I'm just hating, but it's far from hating. I really like watching him play now. The facts are just the facts and unless he's truly special (like top 30 player) those aren't changing.
 
I don't believe in Key-Sexton long term, but I don't think it's something we have to act on immediately. I just don't think two ill fitting (on defense) guards is an issue for a team that has not made the playoffs yet.

I actually agree that it would be hard to find a good trading partner for Sexton right now. I'm sure there are a few that we could come up with if we really looked hard into it. If you're one of those people advocating for a trade to happen now, you should probably be the one looking into those potential destinations and considering the possibilities otherwise there is no point to what you're saying. Maybe if you looked into it you would find many trades that would be worth it, I'm open to changing my mind. But you're not going to change anyone's mind by saying "trade him" while also refusing to discuss what the incentive would be for trading him.
 
KqWIN said:
I don't believe in Key-Sexton long term, but I don't think it's something we have to act on immediately. I just don't think two ill fitting (on defense) guards is an issue for a team that has not made the playoffs yet.

I actually agree that it would be hard to find a good trading partner for Sexton right now. I'm sure there are a few that we could come up with if we really looked hard into it. If you're one of those people advocating for a trade to happen now, you should probably be the one looking into those potential destinations and considering the possibilities otherwise there is no point to what you're saying. Maybe if you looked into it you would find many trades that would be worth it, I'm open to changing my mind. But you're not going to change anyone's mind by saying "trade him" while also refusing to discuss what the incentive would be for trading him.
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Look when the other attempts have aged so poorly I get why Cy would be hesitant to throw out another trade.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Well at some point I'm probably going to be right. Props to Sexton for proving me extremely wrong up to this point. If he does it again, great. I get that you are trying to argue that I'm just hating, but it's far from hating. I really like watching him play now. The facts are just the facts and unless he's truly special (like top 30 player) those aren't changing.
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The old broken clock.
 
KqWIN said:
I don't believe in Key-Sexton long term, but I don't think it's something we have to act on immediately. I just don't think two ill fitting (on defense) guards is an issue for a team that has not made the playoffs yet.

I actually agree that it would be hard to find a good trading partner for Sexton right now. I'm sure there are a few that we could come up with if we really looked hard into it. If you're one of those people advocating for a trade to happen now, you should probably be the one looking into those potential destinations and considering the possibilities otherwise there is no point to what you're saying. Maybe if you looked into it you would find many trades that would be worth it, I'm open to changing my mind. But you're not going to change anyone's mind by saying "trade him" while also refusing to discuss what the incentive would be for trading him.
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Why would I propose trades when trades can't even happen currently? I'll wait until the lottery order gets set, the playoffs happen, and what rumors are out there regarding player movement and team interest.

I think Sexton is potentially a very good starting PG who any team that needs a PG would be interested in. There's plenty of teams like that in the NBA.
 
I swear at some point people were arguing with me that the Hawks would take an assets based package for Murray because they could flip those assets for better players. And granted this was discussing a mid season trade where this stuff has to happen in a much tighter window.

So it's really funny to see those people switch up when it has to fit the argument they want to take.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Why would I propose trades when trades can't even happen currently? I'll wait until the lottery order gets set, the playoffs happen, and what rumors are out there regarding player movement and team interest.

I think Sexton is potentially a very good starting PG who any team that needs a PG would be interested in. There's plenty of teams like that in the NBA.
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We talk about potential future trades all the time. Are you kidding? lol.

If there are plenty of teams in the market for Sexton, I don't see the problem with listing them. It seems natural that if you're going to talk about trading a player, you would also talk about where he might land and what for. Like I said, I'm open to trading him....but I do see why it could be a tougher trade market. Sexton is in a unique situation where he's playing amazing but the FO/coaching staff spent a large portion of the season trying to bury him. Fair or not, Sexton is still going to have to prove himself for everyone to be convinced.

Saint Cy of JFC said:
I swear at some point people were arguing with me that the Hawks would take an assets based package for Murray because they could flip those assets for better players. And granted this was discussing a mid season trade where this stuff has to happen in a much tighter window.

So it's really funny to see those people switch up when it has to fit the argument they want to take.
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Who said we can't trade him for assets and flip? The question is what amount of assets and from who.
 
Like if you were to tell me BKN would be interested and CJohnson-Sexton would be the base of that trade....I think that's a starting point. It's really not that hard to ponder over potential trades. That's like half of what we do here.
 
KqWIN said:
We talk about potential future trades all the time. Are you kidding? lol.

If there are plenty of teams in the market for Sexton, I don't see the problem with listing them. It seems natural that if you're going to talk about trading a player, you would also talk about where he might land and what for. Like I said, I'm open to trading him....but I do see why it could be a tougher trade market. Sexton is in a unique situation where he's playing amazing but the FO/coaching staff spent a large portion of the season trying to bury him. Fair or not, Sexton is still going to have to prove himself for everyone to be convinced.



Who said we can't trade him for assets and flip? The question is what amount of assets and from who.
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Side question is what does that open up for us? Like having one more future pick really worth moving a guy right now when we have infinity picks with which to acquire talent. I'm not sure who Cy is shadow boxing with on the Atlanta thing but yeah... they have a pick deficit and could have tanked the season away by selling off Murray... so adding some picks might help them do something. If we cash out Sexton for picks like does that change anything we could or couldn't do? If its a value play then fine... but we will be worse and I'm not sure it would generate confidence from Lauri.

And like the Nets deal you threw out is a fine base but who would be adding to that... them or us? I think Sexton is a better player but positional need/scarcity goes to Johnson. For those that want to move Sexton I'm curious how far they will go right now.
 
And it generally will take a cycle or two to "flip" stuff. So if you trade Sexton for picks maybe at the deadline you move those assets. We have some time. I just think moving Sexton is a bigger step back than we'd like to take... there is no big hurry... and the return might be mid compared to what he is actually doing. If we wait a year too long to move him and he takes a back seat cuz Key levels up... like what is the trade loss there... a full first... a half a first... some seconds. I would likely pay that "price" since we have a lot of those assets and there are so many things that can happen that even if Sexton is a little redundant its okay. The price of that security is likely worth it.

Now if we decide this **** ain't working and move Lauri... by all means trade Sexton too. It would just be weird to move Sexton, the guy that is most aligned with Lauri's timeline, for future assets and claim we are still building something around Lauri.
 
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