Yeah, it's a stupid health care/insurance system we have. That people are resistant to moving to a variety of systems that have been proven in industrialized modern countries is absurd.
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And there is literally no way to be certain the reason for those fertility rates. Maybe people in austrailaia would have had less kids than people in utah regardless of covid. (Mormons are known for having hella kids btw. Mormons also tend to have a large population in utah)
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Utah's is also in decline but still higher than most of the USA. 1.9 is still a negative replacement rate. A pandemic in general and the economic instability it creates for many is a natural result.
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This actually makes me wonder if they are remote enough is it worse to go miles and miles to get a vaccine and expose yourself to the virus in the first place, or stay at home where it is probably unlikely it ever makes its way there? I guess it depends on how much contact the village has with other population centers, but it made me think.
An interesting article regarding Covid deaths in China.
"...based on excess mortality calculations, The Economist estimates that the true number of Covid deaths in China is not 4,636 – but something like 1.7 million.
That is, China’s cumulative death toll is likely at least double that of the United States."
www.forbes.com
"...based on excess mortality calculations, The Economist estimates that the true number of Covid deaths in China is not 4,636 – but something like 1.7 million.
That is, China’s cumulative death toll is likely at least double that of the United States."
Part 1: China Is Underreporting The Covid Death Rate
China understates the Chinese Covid death rate by 17,000% ... The true number of Covid deaths in China is not 4,636 – but something like 1.7 million. That is, China’s cumulative death toll is likely at least double that of the United States.
www.forbes.com
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Most of the tribes in the Brazilian and Peruvian area of Amazonia are described as “uncontacted tribes”. In fact, almost all, if not all, have had contact over the years. Most have accepted metal trade goods. The term “uncontacted” is actually applied to those tribes who have expressly stated that they desire no further contact with the outside world. If one looks at the settlement of the Americas, the “big picture” launched by the voyages of Columbus, one can argue the Indian wars continue in the 21st century, as there have been violent clashes between uncontacted tribes and both miners and ranchers clear cutting forest. From that larger historical perspective, it’s a continuation of that fundamental cultural clash.
Good question. I only know the pandemic has had an effect, but diseases that were endemic to Western peoples also impacted these tribes, just as things like possibly smallpox or the plague wiped out a huge % of New England natives in 1616, several years before the Pilgrims landed. In general, Western disease cleared the way for settlement. Of course in Brazil, their president has no desire to see uncontacted tribes even survive. I do believe he would be fine with clear cutting most of the Brazilian Amazon.
This entire article is based on a model from economist that they dont post. The guy writes a bunch about this topic and his main argument is that it cant be right because its much lower than other places. He says China should be the same as Korea because he thinks they are similar. They are not.An interesting article regarding Covid deaths in China.
"...based on excess mortality calculations, The Economist estimates that the true number of Covid deaths in China is not 4,636 – but something like 1.7 million.
That is, China’s cumulative death toll is likely at least double that of the United States."
Part 1: China Is Underreporting The Covid Death Rate
China understates the Chinese Covid death rate by 17,000% ... The true number of Covid deaths in China is not 4,636 – but something like 1.7 million. That is, China’s cumulative death toll is likely at least double that of the United States.
The death numbers are probably off (its off most places including usa) but its definitely not 1.7 million. Its possible that the total numbers are close to 1 million across the entire outbreak, with the majority of those coming from the initial outbreak in Wuhan. Things were really bad in Wuhan, I just got back from there and talked to lots of locals about it. I think the case numbers are somewhat accurate based on what I see and social media. But I think they dont count deaths if there are other factors involved, which is the opposite of USA and most places. I think they also lost count/didnt keep count in the initial outbreak in Wuhan. The cases are really low here though regardless. No one knows anyone who has had the virus outside wuhan, its so rare. Over the last 3 years in China there is about 900,000 more deaths than there were for the 3 years before that. Most of that is likely covid, although I think suicides and other issues are through the roof due to extreme measures as well.
Things are way way way way more strict in China, to an extreme level. The strict handling of things are also supported by the people here due to the fear the government has given everyone here. I cant even walk around in public without people moving away from me and covering their mouth and their kids mouth if they dont have a mask on. Its a night and day difference with how things are in China vs USA in my personal experience. Cities are completely shut down if there are more than 50 cases or so. Even 1 case here in Beijing caused mass lockdowns of businesses and buildings. People were trapped at work, home, and shopping centers while they mass tested everyone multiple times within the the infected persons last 2 weeks itinerary. Its still 3 weeks strict quarantine entering the country. You have to do tests all the time here. Everywhere you go is traced. I have never suspected I have covid in China and haven been tested at least 50X in the last year. You cant move in China without having your temperature taken. Vaccines are not really an option, you get them here when the government tells you. Most people here dont really care or think about individual freedoms, they think about the greater good for the community.
I wonder what the next few years will look like for China and places like New Zealand after the pandemic phase is over. I don't actually know and I'm not making a guess.
I dont think it will be good for China. They will have to open the borders at some point and deal with a major outbreak. It might be more mild, most people will be vaccinated, and treatments might be good at that point. But it will still have to happen. The problem is that China has reported the virus as being really scary and people are dead in the streets everywhere in other countries and how great they are at dealing with it. The average person here wont support opening the borders and having it sweep through, they like the strict measures. That might change when the rest of the world has moved on and they are still dealing with it and the economy taking a hit.
For me I think China took it way too extreme and USA took it wrong in other ways. I will say its been nice that when I get sick or someone around me is sick it doesnt even cross my mind it might be covid. I also like that things have been pretty much open for a long time here within China. Outside of these crazy short term lockdowns business has been normal for almost a year and a half. Travel within the country has been fine. The border thing really sucks for me and the long term prospect is a little scary though. Plus the idea that if I do get it in China I am basically in quarantine for 6 months or more, which is terrifying.
I dont know what will happen either. Personally I am way past the point of get vaccinated and boosted, show an ounce of intelligence about the virus and lets all move on. Well, besides the medical and science community. Variants and changes along with new treatments and better vaccines are still needed going forward.
I have a new job in Beijing I really like, but I am looking forward to moving to a new country in the next year or so. Sometimes I want to stay here long term, sometimes I want to be gone yesterday.
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This doesn’t seem helpful.
It’s interesting that the same people who bitch about inflation and desiring to return to normal do everything they can to prolong this pandemic. It’s almost like keeping america sick with Covid benefits them politically and that’s why they’re doing it.
It’s interesting that the same people who bitch about inflation and desiring to return to normal do everything they can to prolong this pandemic. It’s almost like keeping america sick with Covid benefits them politically and that’s why they’re doing it.
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