Coronavirus

[SteakNEggs]

So another agency believes it was a lab leak. With low confidence.


View: https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1629814630259343362?s=12


The FBI believes it was a lab leak with moderate confidence. NIC believes it was a lab leak with low confidence. Just waiting on the CIA now.

It's not rocket science. As I've always said, a once in a century plus virus randomly showing up at a market that was 100's of feet from a lab that basically gave mice human lungs so they could infect them with a coronavirus from bats is near impossible. The fact that this is just coincidence... literally hundreds of feet, is near absolute zero. Especially with the lax safety measures where these Drs were only forced to wear lab coats and safety glasses.

Fauci funded this research btw. What are the astronomical chances on that? Especially as he was insistent at first outbreak that it didn't come from his funded projects and we have emails that he wanted the theory gone to other scientists.

 

[One Brow]

So another agency believes it was a lab leak. With low confidence.


The FBI believes it was a lab leak with moderate confidence. NIC believes it was a lab leak with low confidence. Just waiting on the CIA now.

I'm just waiting for the Departments of the Interior, Transportation, and Housing and Urban Development to weigh in.

 

[Bucknutz]

I'm just waiting for the Departments of the Interior, Transportation, and Housing and Urban Development to weigh in.

Not sure if you’re being sarcastic or ignorant. Either way you bring no additional info, data or value to the conversation.

 

[One Brow]

Not sure if you’re being sarcastic or ignorant. Either way you bring no additional info, data or value to the conversation.

Sarcastic. The WSJ brought no additional information, value, or data to the conversation, and the fact that you thought they did reflects poorly on you. The Department of Energy has no significant expertise in intelligence, nor in epidemiology, and nor in virology. If the CIA, CDC, or NIH had said this, it would be newsworthy.

 

[Bucknutz]

Sarcastic. The WSJ brought no additional information, value, or data to the conversation, and the fact that you thought they did reflects poorly on you. The Department of Energy has no significant expertise in intelligence, nor in epidemiology, and nor in virology. If the CIA, CDC, or NIH had said this, it would be newsworthy.

You obviously didn’t read the article. Again you’re very dismissive when it goes against your beliefs. You’re one of the people on this board who shouted down others who brought the lab leak opinion before.

Maybe you will listen to someone on the left explain D of Energy’s involvement.


View: https://twitter.com/edkrassen/status/1629867956371968003?s=46&t=BMMZjW7vq0_zwnmLDjNTgQ


But keep dismissing.

 

[SteakNEggs]

We haven't found a single animal in Wuhan that had this virus or where it came from. Why not?

 

[One Brow]

You obviously didn’t read the article.

The WSJ has a paywall, and you certainly didn't summarize any evidence. Other articles referred to an updated, internal memo that we have no details about.

Again you’re very dismissive when it goes against your beliefs. You’re one of the people on this board who shouted down others who brought the lab leak opinion before.

Any shouting is in your own mind, and your characterization here offers no evidence that the DoE is a reliable source for this type of information.

Maybe you will listen to someone on the left explain D of Energy’s involvement.

Which part of that tweet said the DoE has the expertise in intelligence, epidemiology, or virology to come to an informed conclusion?

But keep dismissing.

I set a standard, but you're too busy feeling persecuted to notice, AFAICT.

 

[One Brow]

We haven't found a single animal in Wuhan that had this virus or where it came from. Why not?

It took 7 years to locate the source of swine flu (it was in Mexico), so I'm going with "we haven't had enough time or cooperation from the Chinese".

 

[SteakNEggs]

It took 7 years to locate the source of swine flu (it was in Mexico), so I'm going with "we haven't had enough time or cooperation from the Chinese".

Ok... So we still don't really know where it came from. How can you be so insistent that it didn't come from a lab? Why is this such a no no to even bring up? If we are being honest, we would not try to sweep a very prominent theory under the rug. We should pursue all angles. As Buck pointed out... There are more and more and more people coming out thinking it's a possibility. The only reason to push this under the rug and not even give it thought is to hide something.

 

[Bucknutz]

The WSJ has a paywall, and you certainly didn't summarize any evidence. Other articles referred to an updated, internal memo that we have no details about.

You put forth no effort. It's easy to read any article that's online for free. There ya go.

https://archive.ph/2023.02.26-120226/https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/covid-origin-china-lab-leak-807b7b0a

Any shouting is in your own mind

This took about 5 mins to look up. Here are 3 examples of you shouting down someone. I define shouting down when you let the another person know they are wrong on the topic with out any information or evidence. You do this all the time. You put no effort in to debate just twisting words and shouting down.

, and your characterization here offers no evidence that the DoE is a reliable source for this type of information.


Which part of that tweet said the DoE has the expertise in intelligence, epidemiology, or virology to come to an informed conclusion?

From the article:
"The Energy Department’s conclusion is the result of new intelligence and is significant because the agency has considerable scientific expertise and oversees a network of U.S. national laboratories, some of which conduct advanced biological research."

Wow, you formed an opinion about D of Energy without doing any research, just because it goes against your belief. Again this is why you are so dismissive, you don't put the effort to actually research topics.

I set a standard, but you're too busy feeling persecuted to notice, AFAICT.

As you can see above, your standard is low. Not worth debating or discussing because you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

 

[One Brow]

Ok... So we still don't really know where it came from. How can you be so insistent that it didn't come from a lab?

To my understanding, the internal evidence from the virus shows no evidence of genetic tampering, while we would expect a lab-engineered virus to show some sign of that. If that turns out to be wrong, I'll change my mind.

Why is this such a no no to even bring up?

Disagreement is not censorship.

We should pursue all angles.

I agree.

 

[One Brow]

You put forth no effort. It's easy to read any article that's online for free. There ya go.

You bypassed a paywall by going to the web archive. Still, since you made the effort, I looked at the article for why the DoE assessment was newsworthy. I found this:

The Energy Department’s conclusion is the result of new intelligence and is significant because the agency has considerable scientific expertise and oversees a network of U.S. national laboratories, some of which conduct advanced biological research.

Which had me wondering what the DoE was overseeing?

Biological and Environmental Research

Homepage for Biological and Environmental Research

www.energy.gov

Nothing about epidemiology or virology. Again, why is their assessment newsworthy? When the CIA talks about where the intelligence leads, or the CDC about epidemiology, or the NIH about virology, that will be newsworthy.

Origins of Coronaviruses

Research evidence suggests that SARS-CoV and MERS-CoV originated in bats. SARS-CoV then spread from infected civets to people, while MERS-CoV spreads from infected dromedary camels to people. To date, the origin of SARS-CoV-2 which caused the COVID-19 pandemic has not been identified.

www.niaid.nih.gov

The scientific evidence thus far suggests that SARS-CoV-2 likely resulted from viral evolution in nature and jumped to people or through some unidentified animal host. Public health and scientific organizations are engaged in a continued international effort to uncover the origins of SARS-CoV-2, which is essential to preventing future pandemics.

When the science changes, or is outweighed by firm intelligence saying otherwise, I'll change my mind.

I define shouting down when you let the another person know they are wrong on the topic with out any information or evidence.

Perhaps the definition has changed, but I operated under the understanding that shouting was ALL CAPS TYPING. I appreciate you sharing what you mean.

You'll note that all of your examples involve JazzyFresh. Think there might be a reason for that?

Wow, you formed an opinion about D of Energy without doing any research, just because it goes against your belief.

Now that your aware there biological research has nothing to do with epidemiology or virology, would you care to rethink this?