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Al-O-Meter
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A bombshell just dropped on COVID origins.
Previously the American Intelligence Agencies had announced that COVID originated from a Wuhan lab leak. Here is Christopher Wray as the head of the FBI making that claim about four months ago: https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/28/politics/wray-fbi-covid-origins-lab-china/index.html
...and a published announcement from the Director of National Intelligence from around the same time also concluding that the source of the COVID outbreak was a leak from the lab in Wuhan: https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/docu...Summary-of-Assessment-on-COVID-19-Origins.pdf
We now know what the American Intelligence Agencies based their conclusions on. No only do they know COVID was made in that lab, but they also know exactly who was infected as patient zero in that lab. They know the identities of the first three people who got COVID and all of them work at the lab.
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Previously the American Intelligence Agencies had announced that COVID originated from a Wuhan lab leak. Here is Christopher Wray as the head of the FBI making that claim about four months ago: https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/28/politics/wray-fbi-covid-origins-lab-china/index.html
...and a published announcement from the Director of National Intelligence from around the same time also concluding that the source of the COVID outbreak was a leak from the lab in Wuhan: https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/docu...Summary-of-Assessment-on-COVID-19-Origins.pdf
We now know what the American Intelligence Agencies based their conclusions on. No only do they know COVID was made in that lab, but they also know exactly who was infected as patient zero in that lab. They know the identities of the first three people who got COVID and all of them work at the lab.
First People Sickened By COVID-19 Were Chinese Scientists At Wuhan Institute Of Virology, Say US Government Sources
The three scientists were engaged in “gain-of-function” research on SARS-like coronaviruses when they fell ill
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The assessment has "moderate confidence", something like a 3-out-of-4 guess.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/28/politics/wray-fbi-covid-origins-lab-china/index.html
The document you linked to disagrees with your statements.
Shellenberger, Taibbi, and Gutentag are not reliable reporters; they too often place agenda over data. They could be right here, but their story influences my opinion not at all.
Laughable.
I guess we'll see.
FalseFlagg K
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The US had 4 % of the worlds population and sadly suffered 16 % of the worlds Covid fatalities.
FalseFlagg K
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The CDC is a joke. Your health regulatory bodies and medical systems are completely captured by financial interests of drug companies. Nobody can possibly argue this. You’re one of only 3 countries that allow drug companies to advertise. The drug companies have the most horrific records of deceit and corrupt processes geared purely toward maximising profits.
The more regulation and control and evolution of drug company control of your health system, the larger the proportion of Americans are chronically ill and condemned to a lifetime of multiple medications and poor health.
The more regulation and control and evolution of drug company control of your health system, the larger the proportion of Americans are chronically ill and condemned to a lifetime of multiple medications and poor health.
Red
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That’s true, but I posted it, and since I should be better than that, but was not, I’ll need to try harder.
As, no vaccinations at all? Which countries?
Any thoughts on the Cleveland Clinic study showing the more Covid vaccine doses you have the more times you'll get Covid ?
Being "not up-to-date" on COVID-19 vaccination linked to lower risk of infection, study suggests
Researchers investigate whether not “up-to-date” individuals had a higher risk of COVID-19 than “up-to-date” individuals.www.news-medical.net
Simpson's paradox. From the paper:
Not by job duties? There is no accounting for between the biller who sits in a building/floor where there are no patients and a nurse who has to put their hands on patients with covid? The nurse is much more likely to get the extra vaccination, and much more likely to get covid despite it. Perhaps it's on a preprint server because it can't be published without rectifying this flaw.
All true.
American choices in diet are probably a larger factor. Where else in the world can you easily get a single item that has all your daily recommended calories in a restaurant?
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Pretty much every developed nation. McDonald's is worldwide, for example. We ate at a lot of great restaurants in England and Germany and France.
But as you said at the beginning, it is American choices driving the issue. Availability isn't as big an issues as societal pressures and norms. In Germany there is no demand for giant soft drinks, so lots of places just don't offer them, including McDonald's. Even at things like church gatherings with food and other places where you can get "all you can eat", we were always the ones with our plates full, and getting multiple plates, and everyone else had a few bites from a few things. There is also a much higher impetus on living a less sedentary life in most other developed nations. We walked all over the place in Germany, it was the thing to do. The scandanavian countries are famous for the highest percentage of people who don't even own cars and bike or walk everywhere, even in winter. In America we have developed a society where fast food is the norm, cooking seems like a novelty, and we see it also in the prices in grocery stores. In Germany we were shocked how much cheaper produce was than in America. Here it is always the lion's share of our food budget as it is so expensive, which puts the poor at a severe disadvantage for getting good food. It is as cheap to feed a family of 6 at McDonald's as to buy produce or good foods. And much easier. And Americans are all about doing whatever feels easiest to us. This is a societal problem much more than one of simple availability. The availability of such food here really just reflects demand. As you said, it is what we choose.
When combined with population percentage differences, that's the essence of Simpson's paradox that I mentioned above.
Perhaps they didn't have access to those comorbidities. Perhaps the comorbidities brought the results under statistical significance (there's a lot of p-hacking out there).
Did you read the study summary? The study groups were up-to-date and not up-to-date, no consideration of prior covid status was mentioned.
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I haven't seen the details, but it has the hallmarks of a study based on data from EHR with no participation by the people being studied.
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I read a bit more about it and they did get participants to provide some information but they fully acknowledged that they didn't know anything about their infection status beforehand. It's more of a meta-analysis of a readily available population they could easily keep tabs on. So even with that it was tainted.
Interesting outcomes but more along the lines of the fact that at one point in the 80's Ogden Utah had more murders than Chicago. Of course it was in a limited time frame and was talking about murders per capita. This doesn't feel a lot different.