Coronavirus

[Deleted member 365]

I gotta tell ya, the messages I’ve received this past week from principals in Jordan, canyons, and Alpine are horrifying.

They admit that they don’t see a way to contain outbreaks in their schools. One showed me that they had about 3,000 students sign up for distance learning while 300 teachers have signed up. So roughly 10 students per teacher. That will force many at risk teachers into unsafe classrooms despite them signing up to teach online. They admit that teacher shortages are already happening (which will only increase class sizes that were already too big). They admit that they don’t have enough subs. KSL had a story just a week ago about how they’re 800 subs short. Several admit that it’s the vocal football parent lobby that’s rushing the reopening. They feel that if we did remote learning that they would spell the end of their football season. And one of them shared with me a screenshot of his search history, all jobs restocking shelves at night at a grocery store.

I really don’t have confidence that public health is being prioritized in our state’s reopening of schools. Nor do I have any confidence that this won’t end up being a huge train wreck, especially at the k-12 level. Once again, i am the canary in the coal mine. I’m warning you right now.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Let’s go to the data:

Also, the US has preformed more tests in July alone than any other country has during the entire pandemic.

That chart is missing some countries. Such as China that has tested more than the USA at over 90 million. Russia has tested 27+ million as well.

 

[infection]

That chart is missing some countries. Such as China that has tested more than the USA at over 90 million. Russia has tested 27+ million as well.

The chart is missing countries, and I was trying to find a more complete one but settled for that. With regard to who has tested the most, here's Johns Hopkins, updated for 7/29:

The U.S. has conducted more COVID-19 tests than any other country. However, there is no expert consensus on a recommended target for the raw number of tests or even the rate of tests per capita

How Does Testing in the U.S. Compare to Other Countries? - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center

The U.S. has conducted more COVID-19 tests than any other country. However, there is no expert consensus on a recommended target for the raw number of tests or even the rate of tests per capita

coronavirus.jhu.edu

 

[infection]

I haven’t seen a single meme about testing less. I know it makes conservatives feel better to dehumanize critics of the president by accusing them of being persuaded by memes.

You're using meme in the specific sense of an image with a statement. I'm using meme in the broader sense of an idea repeated in simplicity and for the sake of humor, but represents and underlying cultural understanding. I won't address the idea that assuming someone is persuaded by memes dehumanizes them, but that's interesting (I'd argue that being persuaded by memes is a very human trait). The meme I'm referencing serves as a loophole for sidestepping the issue. For instance:

People: We aren't testing enough.
People: Our cases are rising!
Other people: We are testing a lot of people.
Trump: We are testing so much, we should reduce testing!
People: He suggests reducing testing!

We're side-stepping the issue of where our testing is at by using Trump as a distraction. That's why I'm attempting to refocus on the actual issue: the testing. A good example of that is taking place in this thread. You stated that Utah's testing has dipped. I gave you the graph of testing over time, showing no dip (unless you're counting the past 3 days that they've qualified as lags, which would be like saying "so and so only scored 2 points tonight" when it's the first quarter). I'm assuming you now understand what I was addressing, but we've been able to side-step the fact that this was wrong by discussing Trump and actually dropping the subject of discussion that brought Trump up.

 

[Avery]

Confirmed cases have been trending down in Utah which is refreshing to see. Hoping we can put the days of near 1k behind us and get down to the low-hundreds as a starting point (obviously 0 cases would be the goal). Mandatory masks in most large businesses has helped; still some room to grow in applying this to gas stations and smaller establishments.

Still a lot of work to do, but moving in the right direction.

 

[infection]

339 cases today.

Another thing I'd like to point out, if you look at the official tracking site for the state, they break down the graphs based on number of tests positive as well as number of people positive. This is more transparent than a lot of other states. This is important because the total positive tests that day account for retests. People have mentioned that people are tested frequently in the hospital (this is true, especially if these people are headed back to nursing homes whose criteria is a negative COVID test, and how those hospitalized will skew toward this kind of population). However, I have always pushed back on this idea because I do not believe testing of people inpatient on repeats is a large reason for positives, because so few people are hospitalized relative to those with positive tests (another good thing that you won't be hearing anywhere else). However, the larger component of retesting that would start to make a sizable impact in the daily report of positive tests is for employment: those people who can't return to work until they have a negative COVID test. Those would drastically outnumber hospital retests. So, what does this translate to? Not a ton, currently, but here are some numbers from last week:

7/19: 470 positive tests but only 418 new cases.
7/20: 690 positive tests but only 576 new cases.
7/21: 690 positive tests but only 613 new cases.
7/22: 754 positive tests but only 665 new cases.
7/23: 671 positive tests but only 614 new cases.
7/24: 671 positive tests but only 590 new cases.

So total for that 6-day span is 3,946 total positives, with 3,476 of those people being actual new cases. This is only about a 14% increase. So it's not that big. However, that proportion will continue to increase as testing increases, indentifying new cases that will require people to repeat tests for occupational purposes, and as they retest at higher frequencies.

But I don't know how they are vetting this, either, so if people are testing at different places, they may not have the ability to capture who has already tested positive, so 14% would likely be a minimum estimate, but by how much is unknown.

 

[fishonjazz]

You're using meme in the specific sense of an image with a statement. I'm using meme in the broader sense of an idea repeated in simplicity and for the sake of humor, but represents and underlying cultural understanding. I won't address the idea that assuming someone is persuaded by memes dehumanizes them, but that's interesting (I'd argue that being persuaded by memes is a very human trait). The meme I'm referencing serves as a loophole for sidestepping the issue. For instance:

People: We aren't testing enough.
People: Our cases are rising!
Other people: We are testing a lot of people.
Trump: We are testing so much, we should reduce testing!
People: He suggests reducing testing!

We're side-stepping the issue of where our testing is at by using Trump as a distraction. That's why I'm attempting to refocus on the actual issue: the testing. A good example of that is taking place in this thread. You stated that Utah's testing has dipped. I gave you the graph of testing over time, showing no dip (unless you're counting the past 3 days that they've qualified as lags, which would be like saying "so and so only scored 2 points tonight" when it's the first quarter). I'm assuming you now understand what I was addressing, but we've been able to side-step the fact that this was wrong by discussing Trump and actually dropping the subject of discussion that brought Trump up.

The lesson, as always, is that everything would be better if there were no trump.

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[infection]

The lesson, as always, is that everything would be better if there were no trump.

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Unfortunately "we just can't help ourselves in in our response to Trump -- it's his fault" fails to be a legitimate discussion point when someone who isn't Trump is engaging with someone substantively on the issues.

 

[fishonjazz]

Unfortunately "we just can't help ourselves in in our response to Trump -- it's his fault" fails to be a legitimate discussion point when someone who isn't Trump is engaging with someone substantively on the issues.

I know right? It's totally not a legitimate discussion point, yet it exists and is used often.
Would be nice if that option didn't exist.

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[Avery]

Correlation doesn't equal causation and what not, but outside of better use of masks, I don't feel that anything has necessarily changed as a root cause. I still see crowded parks, team activities, etc.

I am concerned that cramming students into crowded classrooms is going to go awry especially as children will fidget and teenagers are poor at mask use (anecdotal on my part). That probably won't show up until September.

 

[infection]

Also wanted to note that over the weekend there was a KSL article that mentioned that if we were down, per the governor's goal, to 500 cases per day on the 7-day average by August 1, that it would be "the first time in months" that we've been under 500. This was patently false. I had made a comment to the article stating that it hadn't even technically been a month yet, at that point, that we've exceeded 500 per day on a 7-day average, and the nearest date that would qualify as the plural "months" we were at 165 cases per day. Eventually, they corrected this. They didn't, however, reference that a change had been made in the report (which is standard) and they deleted my comment from the comments section.

 

[Avery]

Also wanted to note that over the weekend there was a KSL article that mentioned that if we were down, per the governor's goal, to 500 cases per day on the 7-day average by August 1, that it would be "the first time in months" that we've been under 500. This was patently false. I had made a comment to the article stating that it hadn't even technically been a month yet, at that point, that we've exceeded 500 per day on a 7-day average, and the nearest date that would qualify as the plural "months" we were at 165 cases per day. Eventually, they corrected this. They didn't, however, reference that a change had been made in the report (which is standard) and they deleted my comment from the comments section.

Your first mistake was using KSL comments. They can be as bad as Youtube and Facebook comments in so far as either the world is ending due to COVID, hide your chilrden or it's all a hoax propagated by the deep state to reduce the world population to 5 million.