Dante Exum - Jazz development plan

[Ellipse]

What makes this whole debate seem silly are those treating Trey as a "veteran." Trey average 32.3 mpg last year as a rookie, so let's stop with the double standard. Let Trey and Dante go into the preseason with starting and minutes up for grabs and may the best man win.

 

[Jazz4ever]

What makes this whole debate seem silly are those treating Trey as a "veteran." Trey average 32.3 mpg last year as a rookie, so let's stop with the double standard. Let Trey and Dante go into the preseason with starting and minutes up for grabs and may the best man win.

He's a veteran compared to Exum. Burke is almost 3 years older, has 2 years of college and 1 nba season under his belt. Exum has high school and U19. Trey will start, the only question at SG will it be Exum or Burks.

 

[Ellipse]

You can't really compare the two strategies unless you can an alternate universe. Also have to realize that you have 4 other players to develop on the court. Does having a player who might not be ready to play hurt the other player's development?

This isn't some theory Locke just made up. There are clearly people who feel the same way (Jerry Sloan) about not playing young guys too much. I agree with it, to an extent.

If Exum gets 25 mpg this year, is that "throwing him to the wolves"? It's all relative, but that could still be considered bringing him along slowly, depending on your perspective.

Personally, I feel like "throwing to the wolves" or not having much regard for the player's age, would be starting Exum and playing him 35 mpg. I doubt we would do that, and I think that would possibly hurt his growth, and would hurt the other player's development on the team.

Sloan said that coaches who play rookies find themselves out of job. That was a perfectly good philosophy for a coach whose rookies were, at best, picked in the teens. It didn't work so well when he got a top 3 pick.

 

[Ellipse]

He's a veteran compared to Exum. Burke is almost 3 years older, has 2 years of college and 1 nba season under his belt. Exum has high school and U19. Trey will start, the only question at SG will it be Exum or Burks.

And Dante appears mature beyond his years. What I don't understand is why a 1-year vet gets preferential treatment to a 3-year vet like Burks? You are saying that Burke's seniority gives him the starting nod over Dante at PG, but Burks's doesn't at the SG? And everyone who watched SL knows that Dante's shot needs some work, so why would we start him at shooting guard when we have Burks and Hayward?

 

[Dr. Jones]

We need only be concerned with shooters on the perimeter. Exum will disrupt the defense and we need guys to hit shots from outside so the options open up for dump downs to the post. Minutes shminutes.

 

[The Midnight]

We need only be concerned with shooters on the perimeter. Exum will disrupt the defense and we need guys to hit shots from outside so the options open up for dump downs to the post. Minutes shminutes.

Been saying this for a while now.

 

[Jazz4ever]

And Dante appears mature beyond his years. What I don't understand is why a 1-year vet gets preferential treatment to a 3-year vet like Burks? You are saying that Burke's seniority gives him the starting nod over Dante at PG, but Burks's doesn't at the SG? And everyone who watched SL knows that Dante's shot needs some work, so why would we start him at shooting guard when we have Burks and Hayward?

I don't read much into summer league, Schroeder was looking wise beyond his years last year in SL and fell flat on his face in the regular season. Burke has proven he can run an NBA team, and do it with an exceptionally low turnover rate. He can space the floor from three which Dante won't be doing anytime soon. That is important because Hayward and Burks will also be driving looking to kick out. If Dante has to pass on 3s because he can't hit them, its a huge disadvantage in a short shot clock. As to your second point, you're right, Exum probably doesn't get the nod for SG either, and will be the 6th man.

 

[The Midnight]

I don't read much into summer league, Schroeder was looking wise beyond his years last year in SL and fell flat on his face in the regular season. Burke has proven he can run an NBA team, and do it with an exceptionally low turnover rate. He can space the floor from three which Dante won't be doing anytime soon. That is important because Hayward and Burks will also be driving looking to kick out. If Dante has to pass on 3s because he can't hit them, its a huge disadvantage in a short shot clock. As to your second point, you're right, Exum probably doesn't get the nod for SG either, and will be the 6th man.

That's why Exum is really our future PG and Burke really needs to go.



Tony Parker doesn't hit the 3pt shot neither, but he is quick, he gets to the rim and finish, and get his teammates involved. That's who Exum could be for us with even better passing. The best way to deal with a guy who can't shoot is to put the ball in his hand and let him create (Parker, LeBron, Magic).

 

[Jazz4ever]

That's why Exum is really our future PG and Burke really needs to go.



Tony Parker doesn't hit the 3pt shot neither, but he is quick, he gets to the rim and finish, and get his teammates involved. That's who Exum could be for us with even better passing. The best way to deal with a guy who can't shoot is to put the ball in his hand and let him create (Parker, LeBron, Magic).

Yeah he could be a bigger Parker, eventually, in 5-6 years. If you read between the lines, like DL saying they aren't going to skip steps and how Trey learned a lot when he got injured, all signs point to Burke starting.

 

[silesian]

I want to see 3 players who were played big mins early which hurt their development and diminished their career. List 3, ready set go:

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There are many players who play a large number of minutes in their first year and then slide to mediocrity or worse: Dajuan Wagner, Javis Hayes, Charlie Villanueva, Adam Morrison, Yi Jianlian, Beasley, OJ Mayo, DJ Augustine. All had >25 mpg in first year. You can argue that their playing time had nothing to do with their slip, but that is impossible to prove either way.

At the same time, there are many players who start their careers with moderate minutes played and then develop into Allstars: Kobe (15 mpg), Dirk (20 mpg), Noah (20 mpg), Paul George (21 mpg), Nash (10 mpg), Stockton (18 mpg).

So the notion that playing Exum 20 mpg plus or minus minutes per game will somehow hurt his development, especially at his age, is weak. Quin and DL will get it right.

 

[silesian]

lol @ Locke. Every rookie of the year played a ton of minutes. How in the hell did any of them become good NBA players? Locke is such a moran.

You have to play a lot of minutes to win rookie of the year, so using that as a basis for your argument is very weak. (by the way it is "moron")

The relevant question is, what is the optimal number of minutes played in order to optimize long-term development. It varies by specific player circumstance, including age.

 

[silesian]

You can't really compare the two strategies unless you can an alternate universe. Also have to realize that you have 4 other players to develop on the court. Does having a player who might not be ready to play hurt the other player's development?

This isn't some theory Locke just made up. There are clearly people who feel the same way (Jerry Sloan) about not playing young guys too much. I agree with it, to an extent.

If Exum gets 25 mpg this year, is that "throwing him to the wolves"? It's all relative, but that could still be considered bringing him along slowly, depending on your perspective.

Personally, I feel like "throwing to the wolves" or not having much regard for the player's age, would be starting Exum and playing him 35 mpg. I doubt we would do that, and I think that would possibly hurt his growth, and would hurt the other player's development on the team.

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