Game Thread Dec 10, 2022 07:00PM MT: Jazz at Nuggets

[HeatCheck]

Agree with all of this including your comments about murray. He was awesome last night though. Couldnt miss. Whenever i check box scores he seems to play pretty bad against evryone else though.


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Of course.
Seems like every night some opposing player (Murray, Ayton, etc, etc) will have a breakout game against the Jazz.

 

[homeytennis]

Our backups performed admirably. Few thoughts:
- We lost because our short-handed team couldnt close the game. We were inefficient from the field in the 4th and didnt get to the foul line.
- The refs also gave charity stripe to just 1 team towards the end. I was surprised no one here called it out.... but they definitely won from the FT line while we couldnt buy a shot foul.
- THT is likely on his way out of the guard rotation, barring additional injuries. He is a bad shooter and still takes stupid low% shots. Then towards the end of this game, where he needs to worry about KO, Beasley or NAW getting clutch shots, he instead took his own. He needs to sit.
- No one was able to contain Jokic, but then again thats not a Jazz problem. Kelly didnt look as bad as he usually does on D.
- While I love Kessler, I didnt enjoy the few minutes he spent on Jokic. Joker just went at him. That being said, he was better than Vando innthis game by far and should have had more minutes.

I don't get Hardy's loathing of Dok. He played Joker quite well a couple of times last year. Jensen was here and saw it. Is Dok that injured? Also when Embiid was torching us he is a matchup that could have slowed him down.

 

[HermanG]

I don't get Hardy's loathing of Dok. He played Joker quite well a couple of times last year. Jensen was here and saw it. Is Dok that injured? Also when Embiid was torching us he is a matchup that could have slowed him down.

He handicaps us offensively to 4 out and clogs the paint as he has absolutely no spacing ability. I think the system Hardy runs just cannot fit in a guy who doesnt have any flexibility in the offensive end.

 

[HeatCheck]

I don't get Hardy's loathing of Dok. He played Joker quite well a couple of times last year. Jensen was here and saw it. Is Dok that injured? Also when Embiid was torching us he is a matchup that could have slowed him down.

Apparently Hardy barely even talks to Dok. Honestly if it weren't for his guaranteed salary I doubt he would even be on the team this season.
Hardy's system relies on having ballhandlers/shooters at every position which might be a reason that even Kessler's minutes are limited sometimes.

 

[homeytennis]

Apparently Hardy barely even talks to Dok. Honestly if it weren't for his guaranteed salary I doubt he would even be on the team this season.
Hardy's system relies on having ballhandlers/shooters at every position which might be a reason that Kessler's minutes are limited sometimes.

Then it's time to waive him. Go sign Orlando Robinson a 7 foot player with the Heat GLeague team with a bit of a three point shot. Last night he had 29 points 21 boards in a GLeague game.

 

[hgb]

I liked quite a lot of what I saw from Bolmaro this game. He's some ways away from being able to finish in the NBA, but he appears to run the game well, and he defends well. NAW also had a lot of good perimeter D, while Malik, KO (and I'm sure others) had a bunch of real head-scratchers.

 

[Jingled]

I rarely saw him play before last night. I didnt watch him prior to the jazz so dont know if he got lots of opportunities then but since he has been with the jazz he hasnt played much.
He played in 15 games for the jazz prior to this year. Averaged under 10 minutes per game. Probably all garbage time minutes.


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Last season before the Jazz traded for him, I watched him play a lot with the Pelicans. He averaged 27 minutes a game and even started some games, and he was honestly one of the most inefficient offensive players in the entire league. He wasn't great on defense either.

 

[hgb]

Last season before the Jazz traded for him, I watched him play a lot with the Pelicans. He averaged 27 minutes a game and even started some games, and he was honestly one of the most inefficient offensive players in the entire league. He wasn't great on defense either.

I have a friend who's a Pelicans fan, and he used to call NAW the league's most frustrating player. Could show any kinds of promise, then be horrible for games.

 

[homeytennis]

Before everyone goes gooleyeyes over our pine riders remember the game against Toronto where Hughes, Paschal, Forrest and Butler filled out the stat sheet in a competitive game. Those guys are out of the league now.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

I have a friend who's a Pelicans fan, and he used to call NAW the league's most frustrating player. Could show any kinds of promise, then be horrible for games.

NAW is the worst kind of "shooting guard". The kind that can't shoot.

I wont be fooled by occasional games where he makes a few shots. The guy has a sub .500 career TS%.

That's terrible.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

NAW is the worst kind of "shooting guard". The kind that can't shoot.

I wont be fooled by occasional games where he makes a few shots. The guy has a sub .500 career TS%.

That's terrible.

From all accounts NAW has been working extremely hard to improve, and it looks like it's finally coming together. Part of his struggles in the past is shot selection and he's made a lot of progress with his decision making. This isn't just one game but like 4 or 5 in a row now.

It might all be just fools gold. He might not be able to keep it up. I'm not expecting much, but for now I'm fairly encouraged.

 

[Isaiah 1:13]

Especially last night. Short handed playing against a huge ************* and KO and Vando in foul trouble and Walker playing well. I just cant understand how Hardy doesnt see what most of us see.

Maybe the sloan comment was comparing their rigidity or something. Though i dont see hardy as being very rigid with most players. Just Kessler.

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I don’t think that Hardy is rigid at all, he’s very even handed in my book. Concerning Kessler, his tutelage and handling is a big reason why this non-lottery rookie is playing with so much confidence and composure right now. The reaction is kinda funny to me as a lot of this pro Kessler fervor is coming from guys that projected his ceiling in the Brad Miller, Jacob Poeltl category and described him as unathletic mere weeks ago in the Kessler ceiling thread. I’m glad that folks are starting to recognize his talents and vast potential now at any rate.

I’m not convinced that riding Kessler through the final quarter would have been a difference maker for us. I’m not convinced that his conditioning is good enough yet for one thing. He did have his breakout game though along with NAW and THT as I predicted they would and KO and Vando were in foul trouble, so I can certainly see a valid argument there for his closing this one particular game.

Part of what makes our team so tough is the divergent style of center play between KO and WK. WK among 2 pt fg % leaders and KO among 3 pt fg % leaders. Truthfully, I’d like to see more minutes with both on the floor together. That KO feed to Kessler for the backhanded flush was damn sweet!