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Did you have doubts when you got married?

What if the stay at home parent is a stay at home parent against the wishes of their spouse? What if they don't need to stay at home at all? Or what if one partner doesn't pursue a serious and/or well paying career, instead opting for unskilled part-time work?

Go on. What if?

If it's the man who chooses that path against the wishes of his wife he is a big-time dead-beat loser.

What could be more humorous than a man crying sexism?

If the woman makes that choice, and it ends up breaking up the marriage, we praise her.

How does staying at home break up a marriage?

FYI, the biggest dispute in my marriage is that my wife doesn't want to do work that she doesn't like and wants it to fit her schedule, even though we have plenty of family support that could make her working full-time possible. I can't make her get the kind of job I know she could get. I have zero control over her decision to make 1/6th what I make (and I'm not pulling in six figures by a long stretch). If we were to split I'd be paying her a good sum because she's "sacrificed" her career ambitions for our family. She really has all the control and I'll be paying to support her no matter what. In other words, she's got me by the balls.

Are you saying she's lazy (which is a separate issue)? Assuming you are not, does she put her effort in making a better home in ways that do not earn income? You don't think her being there to take care of the kids, the cleaning, schools, and all those other details hasn't helped you to focus on your career and improve yourself there?

If you left, how much of your income would *she* get (as opposed to child support)? For how long? I'd guess well under half, and only for a few years. How many former stay-at-home, divorced mothers actually live as well, financially, as they did when they were married?

I love her though, don't get me wrong.

Of course.
 
Go on. What if?



What could be more humorous than a man crying sexism?



How does staying at home break up a marriage?



Are you saying she's lazy (which is a separate issue)? Assuming you are not, does she put her effort in making a better home in ways that do not earn income? You don't think her being there to take care of the kids, the cleaning, schools, and all those other details hasn't helped you to focus on your career and improve yourself there?

If you left, how much of your income would *she* get (as opposed to child support)? For how long? I'd guess well under half, and only for a few years. How many former stay-at-home, divorced mothers actually live as well, financially, as they did when they were married?



Of course.

Like it or not, men can be victims of sexism and white people can be victims of racism. If you find that funny it's because you are so entrenched in your world view that you are unable to conceptualize things outside of it.

It could break up a marriage because the two people have different priorities and goals. I don't have to be okay with being married to a stay at home mom when there's nothing to say home for. For instance, I do the dishes far more often than my wife does. I do my own laundry. I pick up my own messes. I'm not calling anyone lazy, but I'm not benefiting from my wife being extremely underemployed (mostly in regard to the skill needed for her current work). We struggle to pay our bills. I certainly feel an enormous obligation to work for as much money as I can get to pay for my families needs. She, for whatever reason, doesn't feel that sense of obligation. It's difficult.

I probably would feel good about her not working so much if she actually did keep the house spotless and have dinner ready for me when I get home from my 12hr shift. She's made it clear that she's not my maid (and I never asked her to be) so I just wonder why she doesn't think earning some money for the family is as much her responsibility as it is mine.

So in answer to the what ifs (thought you might take a crack at those, but OK) there isn't a damn thing to be done about it except accept the fact that I am a paycheck more than anything else. The house I've worked to be able to provide could be taken from me and I could go live in the Bachelor Arms Apts if at any point she decides to leave. This hasn't happened to me but it has happened to three men I work closely with.

One guy married a girl while they were both in the Navy. He got a job where I'm at and they moved to Utah (she's from Texas, he's from Nevada, but has lived here before) with their two pre-k kids. She goes to school and watches the kids (which turns out means she plays WoW while the kids do whatever they want). No dishes done, no laundry done, no cleaning. Like me he does most of that himself.

So she's had enough! Hates Utah (I'm pretty sure WoW looks the same no matter where you live). Hates him getting onto her about not doing anything. So, she packs up the kids and goes to live with her family in Texas. She's got a sister who's a single mom living with mommy and daddy, and another single mom sister who lives down the street. She actually arranged to meet some of the guys she plays WoW with. My buddy is powerless. Because he works 12hr night shifts half the time, when he's not working 12hr day shifts, it doesn't make sense to leave the young kids with him, even though he wants them. He has about zero chance to get the kids, or to keep the house, or to have any of the things he's been working for for the last 8 years. She decides it's over and pulls the carpet out from under the family. Mostly because she's bored, feels like she got married too young and hasn't experienced enough life yet. So screw him, screw the kids and screw the family they created.

You can act like it's impossible for men to be taken advantage of by women, or for the law to be unfair to men, but it is possible and it happens every day.
 
Like it or not, men can be victims of sexism and white people can be victims of racism. If you find that funny it's because you are so entrenched in your world view that you are unable to conceptualize things outside of it.

Like it or not, individual men, or the lightly melalinned, people being victims of actions does not add up to a lack of societal bias. If you think confusing the former with the latter isn't worth laughing at, it's because you are so entrenched in your individualized view you are ignoring the larger societal trends.

It could break up a marriage because the two people have different priorities and goals. I don't have to be okay with being married to a stay at home mom when there's nothing to say home for. For instance, I do the dishes far more often than my wife does. I do my own laundry. I pick up my own messes. I'm not calling anyone lazy, but I'm not benefiting from my wife being extremely underemployed (mostly in regard to the skill needed for her current work).

Is the real issue that she's not employed, or that she's Peggy Bundy? If you did no laundry and no dishes, but were able to focus that effort into a first or second job, would you be equally unhappy.

If your real issue is that you want her to work more out of the house while you keep performing the same level of work in the house, see the 80-20 rule.

We struggle to pay our bills. I certainly feel an enormous obligation to work for as much money as I can get to pay for my families needs. She, for whatever reason, doesn't feel that sense of obligation. It's difficult.

Talk with her aobut getting cheaper needs. A smaller house, a less desireable neighborhood, five dinners a week of MacNCheese. See what ideas she has. Again, apply 80-20. Struggling to pay your bills every month is a dangerous position.

I probably would feel good about her not working so much if she actually did keep the house spotless and have dinner ready for me when I get home from my 12hr shift. She's made it clear that she's not my maid (and I never asked her to be) so I just wonder why she doesn't think earning some money for the family is as much her responsibility as it is mine.

Now you have me agreeing with you. She is taking advantage of you, but not because of a sexist court system in her favor.

I have a 60-hour work week myself. I understand that it means you don't have time to do much, most days. I'm sure there is no easy solution here. However, you can't expect this of yourself indefinitely. You're human. You will break down, get fed up, or lose some ability to focus properly on the job. The consequences will be bad. When you're young, you think stuff like that happens to other people. It does happen to other people, but it will also happen to you.

Right now, you make it sound as if your wife has it fairly easy. It can't continue like that permanently. You need to agree on which changes to make.

So in answer to the what ifs (thought you might take a crack at those, but OK) there isn't a damn thing to be done about it except accept the fact that I am a paycheck more than anything else. The house I've worked to be able to provide could be taken from me and I could go live in the Bachelor Arms Apts if at any point she decides to leave. This hasn't happened to me but it has happened to three men I work closely with.

Every situation is different. I know even less about those three men, and their wives, than I know about you. So I'll ask you which of those three wives is better off financially after the divorce? Which of them actually made out well in the divorce? If no one did, then it's not really biased against men, it's just that divorce sucks.

Also, just to be honest: if a divorce did happen, and your wife had custody, would you want your kids to leave the house so you could live there?

Mostly because she's bored, feels like she got married too young and hasn't experienced enough life yet. So screw him, screw the kids and screw the family they created.

So, before she had no job, lived in a nice house, and did almost nothing all day long. But because she was bored, she didn't bother just having an affair. She moved back to her parents (what could be more novel that your's parents home?) and has to get by on a fraction of the money she used to spend. Oh, and she gets to date gaming geeks.

I'm sure the guy is going through a very bad time. I doubt the ex-wife is having it easier than when she was married.

You can act like it's impossible for men to be taken advantage of by women, or for the law to be unfair to men, but it is possible and it happens every day.

The former has nothing to do with being a "dead-beat big-time loser", and the law is pretty much unfair to both men and women on a regular basis.
 
I'd say if you have doubts, you should probably go out and get lucky with another lady. See how she makes you feel. Treats you. Etcetera. Maybe that new lady becomes the one and you dumb your current lady. If not, you got yours anyway.
 
I'd say if you have doubts, you should probably go out and get lucky with another lady. See how she makes you feel. Treats you. Etcetera. Maybe that new lady becomes the one and you dumb your current lady. If not, you got yours anyway.
Or you could move to New Jersey and start huffing glue.
 
The situation I described is not really my current situation, or any singe point in time, really. My wife finally accepted a management position and full time hours where she works. She's makes more than she used to.

When I was in the Navy we agreed she wouldn't work. When we moved back home her disabled mother lived with us for four years. Her mother did most of the housework. Her mother also paid rent. So, at a time when the MIL was home, able to watch our son and doing most the housework my wife was working part-time as a cashier. We could afford it. When my MIL moved out my wife still wanted to work part-time and not do housework. It was a stressful time in our marriage.

Anyway, as mentioned above, we worked it out. We're getting along better now than we have in a long time (at least I think so). I've known my wife since I was 13 and we were very good friends for a long time before we started dating. I trust my wife completely. I didn't have cold feet going in because there was almost no chance my wife wasn't who I thought she was. That's what would scare me, putting myself in the hands of a person I wasn't really sure I could trust.
 
The dead-beat dad issue (for lack of a better generic term) is way too complex to be able to say the woman is always right or the man is always right. Every scenario is different. I have seen both sides of that coin, luckily haven't experienced it myself. I have a very good friend whose wife took him to the cleaners. After the fact it became very obvious how she was playing everything, even to coaching the kids what to say so she could guarantee custody and spousal support. It was complex, and ugly, but he was 90% in the right. My wife's sister was on the other side in her divorce. She was working, but he bullied her into giving up all kinds of things, mainly in the name of not hurting the children. She was so devastated by his affair and betrayal that she just kind of rolled over. Both cases were sad. Both were immensely different.
 
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