Do you think our FO has Ace, Tre and VJ ranked 3-5?

[HermanG]

The trio is widely considered to be in their own tier and we all obviously have our preferences within the tier. But trying to get inside DA's head is also instructive in predicting how the draft may unfold. I dont see anyone being vocal about not wanting one of these guys, but is there a chance that the FO might have different tiers at the top?

• The draft insiders have mentioned that Ace may be as low as 9-10 on some exec boards. Personally, I think Ace is the guy DA would love the most. He isnt afraid to take swings on upside, and he loves to put his money down on long wings. Codys abysmal rookie season also leads me to think they are still looking for that tall wing who could grow into being a top player.
• Tre is a defensively limited wing with good size and high offensive upside. Defensive limitations have obviously not been a thing we shy away from. So I would say its fairly likely that Tre is also a guy they would grab at 5.
• But VJ is why i ask this question. I personally would run to the podium if he was the guy left and I prefer him over Ace... but is he really DA type of prospect? I hope they would not pass up on him, but I can see arguments why DA would.
• The other reason I ask this is if the smart draftheads here could identify guys that DA may love that are right outside of the top 5? Putting your own preferences aside, is there someone there you think they may like more than we do?

So what do you all think? Is our FO on board with the concensus 3-5 or do they have someone else included in that tier or maybe someone who isnt in that tier?

 

[HermanG]

So what I'm thinking is for instance could our FO have their tiers set up something like this:

Tier 1 - Flagg
Tier 2 - Harper
Tier 3 - Ace and Tre
Tier 4 - VJ and Kas (+ someone?)

???

 

[SoberasHotRod]

Tony Jones said that the Jazz have a tier from 3-7. This was before the combine though, so that might have changed.

 

[HermanG]

Tony Jones said that the Jazz have a tier from 3-7. This was before the combine though, so that might have changed.

Any Intel on who they had there? The trio plus Kas and Kon?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Any Intel on who they had there? The trio plus Kas and Kon?

3. Ace
4. Tre
5. VJ
6. Fears
7. Kon

Source: Deez Nuts

 

[SoberasHotRod]

Any Intel on who they had there? The trio plus Kas and Kon?

Not that I remember.

I would hope it included Kas and Kon, but I have no idea.

 

[Bundesjazz]

As well as I know the Jazz they will pick someone unexpected like Knueppel or Maluach or Jakucionis...maybe even trade down

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

As well as I know the Jazz they will pick someone unexpected like Knueppel or Maluach or Jakucionis...maybe even trade down

No, that is not what the Jazz would do if we are basing what they will do of what they have done.

With Williams/Hendricks the connecting thread is that they were the longest available athletes (in that general draft range) on the board. So maybe they take Maluach, but they wot be taking Kon or Jak.

 

[The Midnight]

Yes.

 

[Bundesjazz]

I hope that, too. Otherwise it would mean that we wasted one whole season and a prime year of Markkannen/Collind/Sexton for a role player (at most). Maybe I am too optimistic, but I expect even to trade up for Ace or even Harper, since we have many trade assets.

 

[HermanG]

No, that is not what the Jazz would do if we are basing what they will do of what they have done.

With Williams/Hendricks the connecting thread is that they were the longest available athletes (in that general draft range) on the board. So maybe they take Maluach, but they wot be taking Kon or Jak.

Also they had confirmed interest on Bilal and speculatations about Anthony Black.

Positional size #1?

 

[SoberasHotRod]

No, that is not what the Jazz would do if we are basing what they will do of what they have done.

With Williams/Hendricks the connecting thread is that they were the longest available athletes (in that general draft range) on the board. So maybe they take Maluach, but they wot be taking Kon or Jak.

Maybe they've learned from their mistakes?

 

[HadAnEffectHere]

No, that is not what the Jazz would do if we are basing what they will do of what they have done.

With Williams/Hendricks the connecting thread is that they were the longest available athletes (in that general draft range) on the board. So maybe they take Maluach, but they wot be taking Kon or Jak.

I mean,

1. The Jazz never liked Hendricks very much and just picked him because he was the last available guy in their tier (with them wanting the first 8 picks more)
2. Hendricks was much smaller and a much worse athlete than Lively who went 3 spots later.
3. The Jazz adored Cody Williams and took him over far better athletes taken right afterward (Ware and Carter) who were also super long.
4. The Jazz picked Keyonte George (who has short arms and whatever tools) over the toolsy Cam Whitmore because George is very intelligent as a person whereas Whitmore came off as an extremely stupid person in interviews.
5. The Jazz probably picked Cody Williams because he's so smart off the court as well.
6. It's not clear how many of the Jazz's scouts from the last two years remain on the team considering how mediocre the results have been.

If the Jazz are picking based on off-court intelligence, Cedric Coward is probably a guy they're very interested in. But they may be feeling very burned by that after taking Cody Williams so high last year for his off-court intelligence.

The Jazz also picked Cody Williams and Brice based off the idea that they were in such terrible shape that they would end up being steals when they got in good shape... But they seem to hate Brice and Cody now so I don't know if they continue that trend by taking Queen or Noa or something.

They've generally picked guys who rank very highly going by Kevin Pelton's grading... Except for Cody Williams who ranked as an undrafted free agent. That could suggest they have a lot of analytics guys and the non-analytics guys got fired after the Cody pick. If that is the case, then Kon is almost certainly going to be the pick.

 

[The Midnight]

I mean,

1. The Jazz never liked Hendricks very much and just picked him because he was the last available guy in their tier (with them wanting the first 8 picks more)
2. Hendricks was much smaller and a much worse athlete than Lively who went 3 spots later.
3. The Jazz adored Cody Williams and took him over far better athletes taken right afterward (Ware and Carter) who were also super long.
4. The Jazz picked Keyonte George (who has short arms and whatever tools) over the toolsy Cam Whitmore because George is very intelligent as a person whereas Whitmore came off as an extremely stupid person in interviews.
5. The Jazz probably picked Cody Williams because he's so smart off the court as well.
6. It's not clear how many of the Jazz's scouts from the last two years remain on the team considering how mediocre the results have been.

If the Jazz are picking based on off-court intelligence, Cedric Coward is probably a guy they're very interested in. But they may be feeling very burned by that after taking Cody Williams so high last year for his off-court intelligence.

The Jazz also picked Cody Williams and Brice based off the idea that they were in such terrible shape that they would end up being steals when they got in good shape... But they seem to hate Brice and Cody now so I don't know if they continue that trend by taking Queen or Noa or something.

They've generally picked guys who rank very highly going by Kevin Pelton's grading... Except for Cody Williams who ranked as an undrafted free agent. That could suggest they have a lot of analytics guys and the non-analytics guys got fired after the Cody pick.

Didnt the Jazz let go of some previous draft staffs?

Here’s hoping it will have an “effect” (punn intended).

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

As well as I know the Jazz they will pick someone unexpected like Knueppel or Maluach or Jakucionis...maybe even trade down

There is no way in hell… in hell!! That the jazz take Maluach

 

[The Midnight]

There is no way in hell… in hell!! That the jazz take Maluach

Why not?

 

[KqWIN]

Fears is the number 5 guy on DX. You can have your own opinion about how they do things now, but I think everybody has to respect them for having the best intel. If DX has Fears 5, there’s got to be teams in the league that see him at 5 or higher.

Having said that, Fears isn’t a guy who comes across as a DA guy to me. If we had a tier from 3-7, I’d say it includes Fears and Kon. As much as I love Kas it doesn’t seem like he’s in the picture.

My speculation:

3. Ace

Big gap

4. VJ
5. Tre
6. Kon
7. Fears

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I mean,

1. The Jazz never liked Hendricks very much and just picked him because he was the last available guy in their tier (with them wanting the first 8 picks more)
2. Hendricks was much smaller and a much worse athlete than Lively who went 3 spots later.
3. The Jazz adored Cody Williams and took him over far better athletes taken right afterward (Ware and Carter) who were also super long.
4. The Jazz picked Keyonte George (who has short arms and whatever tools) over the toolsy Cam Whitmore because George is very intelligent as a person whereas Whitmore came off as an extremely stupid person in interviews.
5. The Jazz probably picked Cody Williams because he's so smart off the court as well.
6. It's not clear how many of the Jazz's scouts from the last two years remain on the team considering how mediocre the results have been.

If the Jazz are picking based on off-court intelligence, Cedric Coward is probably a guy they're very interested in. But they may be feeling very burned by that after taking Cody Williams so high last year for his off-court intelligence.

The Jazz also picked Cody Williams and Brice based off the idea that they were in such terrible shape that they would end up being steals when they got in good shape... But they seem to hate Brice and Cody now so I don't know if they continue that trend by taking Queen or Noa or something.

They've generally picked guys who rank very highly going by Kevin Pelton's grading... Except for Cody Williams who ranked as an undrafted free agent. That could suggest they have a lot of analytics guys and the non-analytics guys got fired after the Cody pick. If that is the case, then Kon is almost certainly going to be the pick.

Again, because you seem to be too dumb to read.

When the Jazz have picked in the lottery, they opted for the combination of best athlete with length on the board at a position that Walker Kessler does not play. We can ascertain they value positional size at wing positions when obvious skill isnt available when picking highly.

I doubt they want to use the #5 pick on a guy like Kon or Kasparas. They will want to take a swing. Ace/Tre are the most obvious swings, and if VJ is the one who is left at 5, he is probably also the obvious swing UNLESS they really think Maluach has a chance to be special.

I think Maluach is the big wildcard for almost all teams because it's hard to pass on that combination of fluidity, size, and potential shooting upside, though I would be shocked if the Jazz did so because Maluach isnt *that* much bigger than Kessler and I dont think the shooting stuff is advanced enough to really believe in it as a bankable skillset moving forward.

 

[HadAnEffectHere]

Again, because you seem to be too dumb to read.

When the Jazz have picked in the lottery, they opted for the combination of best athlete with length on the board at a position that Walker Kessler does not play. We can ascertain they value positional size at wing positions when obvious skill isnt available when picking highly.

I doubt they want to use the #5 pick on a guy like Kon or Kasparas. They will want to take a swing. Ace/Tre are the most obvious swings, and if VJ is the one who is left at 5, he is probably also the obvious swing UNLESS they really think Maluach has a chance to be special.

I think Maluach is the big wildcard for almost all teams because it's hard to pass on that combination of fluidity, size, and potential shooting upside, though I would be shocked if the Jazz did so because Maluach isnt *that* much bigger than Kessler and I dont think the shooting stuff is advanced enough to really believe in it as a bankable skillset moving forward.

They had two lottery picks, one of them they did not like at all and were openly mad about and one that they loved who was a catastrophic bust.

George was picked literally two spots after the lottery too.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

They had two lottery picks, one of them they did not like at all and were openly mad about and one that they loved who was a catastrophic bust.

George was picked literally two spots after the lottery top

How on Earth is valuing a pick at the exact range you picked him not liking a player? I guess they werent over the moon in love, but that is definitely still "liking" the pick you got.