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Correct me if I'm wrong, but even if a Presidential Pardon is used, it still goes down as a guilty mark. Doesn't it? And all the evidence collected can still be used in the broader investigation?
I think they have other evidence that Manafort could clarify or corroborate. How else would they know he is lying? So this is about holding him accountable. He is facing life in prison, 20 years to a 69 year old is pretty much that. No way he takes that chance, unless he is pretty sure of a pardon. Imho.

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This is pretty interesting. The Guardian is reporting that Manafort had secret meetings with Assange, most recently in March, 2016. I note with interest what the infamous Steele Dossier has to say, because what it says would be reason enough to promise Manafort a pardon in return for Manafort lying to Mueller. And I do not, and never have, dismissed the Dossier 100%. Nor did our intelligence agencies. No surprise on my part if Steele hit the nail on the head. And no surprise if Mueller knows this full well....

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...cret-talks-with-assange-in-ecuadorian-embassy

Donald Trump’s former campaign manager Paul Manafort held secret talks with Julian Assange inside the Ecuadorian embassy in London, and visited around the time he joined Trump’s campaign, the Guardian has been told.

Sources have said Manafort went to see Assange in 2013, 2015 and in spring 2016 – during the period when he was made a key figure in Trump’s push for the White House....

....One person familiar with WikiLeaks said Assange was motivated to damage the Democrats campaign because he believed a future Trump administration would be less likely to seek his extradition on possible charges of espionage. This fate had hung over Assange since 2010, when he released confidential US state department cables. It contributed to his decision to take refuge in the embassy.

According to the dossier written by the former MI6 officer Christopher Steele, Manafort was at the centre of a “well-developed conspiracy of cooperation” between the Trump campaign and Russia’s leadership. The two sides had a mutual interest in defeating Clinton, Steele wrote, whom Putin “hated and feared”.

In a memo written soon after the DNC emails were published, Steele said: “The [hacking] operation had been conducted with the full knowledge and support of Trump and senior members of his campaign team.”
 
This is pretty interesting. The Guardian is reporting that Manafort had secret meetings with Assange, most recently in March, 2016. I note with interest what the infamous Steele Dossier has to say, because what it says would be reason enough to promise Manafort a pardon in return for Manafort lying to Mueller. And I do not, and never have, dismissed the Dossier 100%. Nor did our intelligence agencies. No surprise on my part if Steele hit the nail on the head. And no surprise if Mueller knows this full well....

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...cret-talks-with-assange-in-ecuadorian-embassy

Donald Trump’s former campaign manager Paul Manafort held secret talks with Julian Assange inside the Ecuadorian embassy in London, and visited around the time he joined Trump’s campaign, the Guardian has been told.

Sources have said Manafort went to see Assange in 2013, 2015 and in spring 2016 – during the period when he was made a key figure in Trump’s push for the White House....

....One person familiar with WikiLeaks said Assange was motivated to damage the Democrats campaign because he believed a future Trump administration would be less likely to seek his extradition on possible charges of espionage. This fate had hung over Assange since 2010, when he released confidential US state department cables. It contributed to his decision to take refuge in the embassy.

According to the dossier written by the former MI6 officer Christopher Steele, Manafort was at the centre of a “well-developed conspiracy of cooperation” between the Trump campaign and Russia’s leadership. The two sides had a mutual interest in defeating Clinton, Steele wrote, whom Putin “hated and feared”.

In a memo written soon after the DNC emails were published, Steele said: “The [hacking] operation had been conducted with the full knowledge and support of Trump and senior members of his campaign team.”

The part that got me was this:

Manafort’s 2016 visit to Assange lasted about 40 minutes, one source said, adding that the American was casually dressed when he exited the embassy, wearing sandy-coloured chinos, a cardigan and a light-coloured shirt.

Visitors normally register with embassy security guards and show their passports. Sources in Ecuador, however, say Manafort was not logged.

That feels awfully specific. Like they've been able to verify it through surveillance cameras, and can produce a log book void of Manafort's name.
 
GAME ON!

https://observer.com/2018/11/ecuadorian-intelligence-paul-manafort-julian-assange-dnc-hack/

Ecuadorian intelligence claims WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange met with former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort in London.

In an internal document obtained by The Guardian, the country’s Senain intelligence agency describes Paul Manafort as one of several well-known guests to visit Assange at London’s Ecuadorian embassy, along with unspecified “Russians.” Sources in Ecuador tell the publication that Manafort’s visit to the embassy was not logged.
 
Either Manafort has lost his marbles, or a presidential pardon is part of his future.
Yep.

NY Times reporting that Manafort's lawyers have been briefing the president's lawyers on what he was saying to the Mueller investigation.

"WASHINGTON — A lawyer for Paul Manafort, the president’s onetime campaign chairman, repeatedly briefed President Trump’s lawyers on his client’s discussions with federal investigators after Mr. Manafort agreed to cooperate with the special counsel, according to one of Mr. Trump’s lawyers and two other people familiar with the conversations.
The arrangement was highly unusual and inflamed tensions with the special counsel’s office when prosecutors discovered it after Mr. Manafort began cooperating two months ago, the people said. Some legal experts speculated that it was a bid by Mr. Manafort for a presidential pardon even as he worked with the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, in hopes of a lighter sentence."


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Yep.

NY Times reporting that Manafort's lawyers have been briefing the president's lawyers on what he was saying to the Mueller investigation.

"WASHINGTON — A lawyer for Paul Manafort, the president’s onetime campaign chairman, repeatedly briefed President Trump’s lawyers on his client’s discussions with federal investigators after Mr. Manafort agreed to cooperate with the special counsel, according to one of Mr. Trump’s lawyers and two other people familiar with the conversations.
The arrangement was highly unusual and inflamed tensions with the special counsel’s office when prosecutors discovered it after Mr. Manafort began cooperating two months ago, the people said. Some legal experts speculated that it was a bid by Mr. Manafort for a presidential pardon even as he worked with the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, in hopes of a lighter sentence."


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Would post the link...if only I could figure out how to do it. Lol

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The part that got me was this:



That feels awfully specific. Like they've been able to verify it through surveillance cameras, and can produce a log book void of Manafort's name.
So if entry is routinely logged, but this one wasn't, what does it show?
A. Conspiracy with the embassy staff?
B. Intent to deceive by Manafort?
C. Lax security?
D. All the above?
E. ?

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So if entry is routinely logged, but this one wasn't, what does it show?
A. Conspiracy with the embassy staff?
B. Intent to deceive by Manafort?
C. Lax security?
D. All the above?
E. ?

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Someone was negligent in their duties, and why needs to be investigated.

It helps build a case for everything up to collusion and conspiracy to defraud the US Government.
 
Some more interesting speculation. People are concerned because Manafort's legal team, one attorney in particular, Kevin Downing, shared what Mueller's team was asking Manafort, and how Manafort was responding. And we know Manafort lied to a degree, repeatedly, according to Mueller. But, was Mueller in fact setting Manafort up?:

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/11/robert-mueller-paul-manafort-special-counsel-chess-game

The timing of Mueller’s split with Manafort is curious: he announced it just days after receiving Trump’s written answers to the special counsel’s questions. The tantalizing possibility is that Trump, basing his answers on what he was hearing from Manafort, lied in those written answers and has now stumbled into strengthening the obstruction of justice case against him. “Mueller built the plea agreement to permit Kevin Downing to continue to share information with Rudy Giuliani,” says Marcy Wheeler, a national security expert who blogs under the name Emptywheel. “So in the eventuality Manafort lied and Mueller didn’t tell them what evidence they had that he was lying, then that would in a sense be negative reinforcement for Trump. He would think that he was going to get away with it, just like Manafort was.”

.....If the president and his former campaign manager colluded to try to deceive Mueller, Wheeler says, it’s clear where the blame belongs. “If these two men, Manafort and Trump, chose to continue to share notes through a period when they’re both being questioned by the special counsel,” she says, “and they don’t understand that Mueller isn’t telling either one of them how much evidence he has, that’s their own damn fault, not Mueller’s.

See also:
https://lawandcrime.com/legal-analy...of-using-manafort-to-bypass-matthew-whitaker/
 
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