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Donald Fires FBI Director who's investigating Russian Election Hacking

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Zombie said:
I'm having a hard time processing just how big of a deal this weeks revelations are. Feels like the clock is about to run out on Republicans to bail out before **** really starts to hit the fan.
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I still think everyone needs to resist the urge to draw conclusions. More, and more information is coming out, but it's not definitive. The Mueller probe will eventually be completed. Once it is we can judge how significant it is. I almost hope they don't have a smoking gun type of evidence. The aftermath of that impeachment trial would make Watergate look like a picnic.

As far as Republicans jumping ship...I think it is too late for McConnell, Graham and the other Trump loyalists. If they haven't distanced themselves from Trump yet, they are "in for a pound. "

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I'm not sure we are trying to draw conclusions as much as simply continuing to try and connect the dots in a 2+ year mystery. Things have broken faster this week, it's hard not to see that. Certainly, people on the liberal cable outlets can't seem to overstate the importance of the Cohen revelations alone, this evening. I know I drew my own conclusions long ago where Trump's Russian connections were concerned. Of course I'm a nobody, and I can't really know more then what I read and listen to. I can start with knowing he was a demagogue, but I depend on good investigative journalism, I depend on spending hours trying to understand and connect dots. And simply surmise. I think anyone who detests what this man represents to our nation are simply waiting for this nightmare to reach a true end stage. I may be disappointed when all is said and done. Or not. We're all going to see every bit of ****, every time it hits the fan.

Only Mueller knows what he has to date. I think we will know a bit more when Manafort's sentacing arrives, if we learn what his lies were. And we'll likely be reaching for conclusions then as well.

Buzzfeed: 50 million dollar penthouse in Trump Tower Moscow offered to Putin by Trump organization:

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/articl...ganization-planned-to-give-vladimir-putin-the

Looking at the Cohen plea and revelations, I see Felix Sater is now in the news again, as one result. In 2015, Trump claimed he would not know Felix Sater if he was in the room with him. Lol. Sure he wouldn't. There is every good reason our president has talked more like a Don Corleone then a president. This has all been out there for all to see for a long time.

https://newrepublic.com/article/143...ses-dirty-money-international-crime-syndicate

I don't believe this will end well. In the short haul. How can it possibly end well when the country is this divided? But we are going to have to get through this, and find a way to actually learn and grow from it. I know what outcome I want. No second term. But the most important thing is to come out of all this in one piece in the long run. And get about facing the challenges at hand. There are many. The sooner we get this over with, the sooner we can get on with it.
 
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I'm not sure we are trying to draw conclusions as much as simply continuing to try and connect the dots in a 2+ year mystery. Things have broken faster this week, it's hard not to see that. Certainly, people on the liberal cable outlets can't seem to overstate the importance of the Cohen revelations alone, this evening. I know I drew my own conclusions long ago where Trump's Russian connections were concerned. Of course I'm a nobody, and I can't really know more then what I read and listen to. I can start with knowing he was a demagogue, but I depend on good investigative journalism, I depend on spending hours trying to understand and connect dots. And simply surmise. I think anyone who detests what this man represents to our nation are simply waiting for this nightmare to reach a true end stage. I may be disappointed when all is said and done. Or not. We're all going to see every bit of ****, every time it hits the fan.

Only Mueller knows what he has to date. I think we will know a bit more when Manafort's sentacing arrives, if we learn what his lies were. And we'll likely be reaching for conclusions then as well.

Buzzfeed: 50 million dollar penthouse in Trump Tower Moscow offered to Putin by Trump organization:

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/articl...ganization-planned-to-give-vladimir-putin-the

Looking at the Cohen plea and revelations, I see Felix Sater is now in the news again, as one result. In 2015, Trump claimed he would not know Felix Sater if he was in the room with him. Lol. Sure he wouldn't. There is every good reason our president has talked more like a Don Corleone then a president. This has all been out there for all to see for a long time.

https://newrepublic.com/article/143...ses-dirty-money-international-crime-syndicate

I don't believe this will end well. In the short haul. How can it possibly end well when the country is this divided? But we are going to have to get through this, and find a way to actually learn and grow from it. I know what outcome I want. No second term. But the most important thing is to come out of all this in one piece in the long run. And get about facing the challenges at hand. There are many. The sooner we get this over with, the sooner we can get on with it.
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I hear you.

While I say we should not prejudge this, I can't get the image of the Trump Putin press conference in Helsinki out of my mind. That visual, more than anything else, has me worried about Russia's influence. Not just during the election, but on going. It's like a bad cold war movie.

A simple defeat in the 2020 primary to a respectable Republican candidate would be the least disruptive way out. Although that may not be soon enough, there is a lot of damage he can do in two more years. I've just been worried about how polarized the country is. Regardless of how this ends for Trump, it seems Putin wins.

I want my country back, I hardly recognize it now.

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I've just been worried about how polarized the country is. Regardless of how this ends for Trump, it seems Putin wins
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Stars Fan said:
I want my country back, I hardly recognize it now.
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Yeah, exactly. The deliberate creation of alternate realities, promulgated by both Trump and his friends at Fox and elsewhere, is something that will still be there Post Trump. And I can envision Trump as still a highly disruptive influence out of power, still the leader of the personality cult he has created. Part of what I meant by saying we are going to have to actually learn and grow from this aberrant administration is we will need to find a way to actually nurture an educated electorate. It should not be so easy for a demagogue to seize power and render our nation unrecognizable.

Last night, I noted with interest a lawsuit brought in my own state of Rhode Island, pointing to the very real need for an emphasis on civics classes in our schools, in order to nurture an educated electorate. To help recognize the type of would be leaders we need to avoid:

http://www.providencejournal.com/ne...dents-to-be-informed-citizens?template=ampart
 
Red said:
When the president of the United States becomes known as an "individual 1". Hint: it ain't good....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amph...968994-f3f7-11e8-80d0-f7e1948d55f4_story.html
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If this is accurate...yikes!

"Together, the documents show investigators have evidence that Trump was in close contact with his lieutenants as they made outreach to both Russia and WikiLeaks — and that they tried to conceal the extent of their activities."

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When the president of the United States becomes known as an "individual 1". Hint: it ain't good....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amph...968994-f3f7-11e8-80d0-f7e1948d55f4_story.html
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More troubling analysis for the Pres and his supporters.

“This is part of the fact pattern that gets to the heart of whether there was collusion between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin during the campaign,” O’Brien said. “I think the unforgiving grinding force of the U.S. justice system, which he has tried to undermine since he became president, is encircling him. I don’t think we know where he will land. But he is certainly mired in something that he is ill-equipped, legally and personally, to handle.”

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If any of you think this investigation has gone on too long

https://fivethirtyeight.com/feature...e-among-the-most-important/?ex_cid=538twitter

(Hint: You're wrong)

And that it's too expensive:

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/09/17/mueller-probe-could-turn-a-profit-thanks-to-manafort-assets.html

In all, the value of the real estate alone that Manafort is surrendering amounts to an estimated $22 million. The exact value of the assets will not be known until it is all sold. The federal government routinely auctions off forfeited goods and contracts with real estate brokers to sell seized properties...

It was a line of argument heard across conservative channels in the spring because the Department of Justice released its Statement of Expenditures for the special counsel's office. From May 17, 2017, through March 31, 2018, the investigation cost about $16.7 million.
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(Hint: not only are you wrong, but the opposite is true. It's estimated we'll make money after Manafort's assets alone)
 
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